Disc Space not enough?

[eggs44]

I had a bit of a problem, I just got done rendering the file, but insted of it being smaller that 4.7 GB, it ended up being 9.2 GB?!?!?!

I did every thing ken said, is there another step im forgeting or do I need to change another step other then just changing 8000kps to 3500 kbps?

[eggs44]

Hang on, I just looked of the properties of the file and it said its 3.75 GB, if thats true, why does it say it 9.2 GB in the VS7 program?

[Ken Berry]

Can you right click on the new file and post the Properties back here, exactly as they are written, please...?

[eggs44]

Size: 3.75 GB (4,033,886,212 bytes)


BUt I go to open it in VS7 and the bar is all red ans it said its 9.2 GB.

[eggs44]

Well, Its about 2:00 am where I am, i got to go to bed, Ill be back on tomm. any help would be great, thank you.

[Ken Berry]

As I said, right click on the new file in the VS7 library pane, and copy down ALL its properties, and post them back here, please...

[GeorgeW]

Eggs44, is the bar you are talking about a builtin size indicator that VideoStudio is displaying for your project (assuming the duration of your video using the project settings -- meaning if it were to re-encode using the project settings, that is the size you will need).

Does the bar get higher if you add another video asset? If so, does it look like it is a cumulative bar for the entire project, or is there a bar for each separate video asset

Note: the properties that Ken is asking for will help determine whether or not you can use your videos "asis", or whether they will require re-encoding regardless (i.e. they are outside dvd compliant specs). Assuming they are coming from the ADS Tech device, they should be compliant -- unless you selected a non-compliant capture format for the disc you plan to create.

Regards,
George

[eggs44]

File Format- MEPG-2
File Size- 3,939,342 KB
Duration- 9921. 433 seconds

Video Type- MPEG-2 Video, Feild A
Frames- 297,643
Attributes- 24 bit, 720 X 480
Frame Rate- 30.000
Data Rate- Max:350 kbps

Audio type- MPEG Audio layer 2 files
Samples: 476,228,800
Attributes: 48000 Hz, 16 bit, Stereo
Layer- 2
Bit Rate- 224 kbps

[caveman]

eggs44

I have been using ver 7 forever. I have since learned much in the process. Lets say you are working on a 2hr video. Break it down into smaller parts to make it easyer and quicker to render etc. Using a 2hr format work on only 15 min parts. Insert your video into the time line. Click on extract video. Mark the begining of the first clip, move ahead 15 min and use the F4 key to select the ending segment. Select Ok. You will now only being working on the first 15 min of the 2 hr video. Save this clip like Part 1.

Start again, and select the 15 min mark as the starting point, move to 30 min and mark it as the ending point. Select Ok and save it as part 2. Cont. this until you have your movie broke down into 8 parts. The key is to work on each part and them reasemble all 8 parts into one. If you are using movie factory don't burn to disc but select a folder only. Now to create a file that fits. Search the web for the program called dvdshrink. Down load and install. Its great . Using dvdshrink point to the folder you saved you video and open it. It will automaticly fit your DVD for you and it does a great job. It will analyze it for you and fit it to you dvd. Works every time. Hope this helps. Any more questions let me know.

caveman

[Ken Berry]

eggs44 -- thanks for those detailed properties. A few things stick out.

First, it confirms that your file is less than 4 GB in size and so should definitely fit on a single layer disc. I can't vouch for the quality, but we have already been through that! Do you have any other burning software like Nero? If so, test your file on that and see what it says about squeezing it on to one disc. I suspect there will be no problem from that point of view.

However, second, and potentially most importanly, I notice that your file uses Field Order A (Lower Field First after VS7), when normally, capturing from an analogue device uses Field Order B (Upper Field First). I don't know your capture device, but perhaps Vidoman, who does, can comment on this part. But at the very least, if you mix up the Field Orders, your final product will appear possibly jerky in parts and with shearing very noticeable in quick horizontal pans.

Third, does it really give the frame rate as 30 fps? I am in PAL land, but normally I thought VS gave the correct NTSC frame rate of 29.97 fps.

Finally, I am sure it must be a typo, but can you confirm the bitrate please. You have typed 350 kbps, when previously we were talking about 3500 kbps.

[eggs44]

I just d/l ed DVD shrink, but its said my file can not be inserted in to it, it said not the right type of file or somthing, so any help you can give me on that program would be great.

eggs44 -- thanks for those detailed properties. A few things stick out.

First, it confirms that your file is less than 4 GB in size and so should definitely fit on a single layer disc. I can't vouch for the quality, but we have already been through that! Do you have any other burning software like Nero? If so, test your file on that and see what it says about squeezing it on to one disc. I suspect there will be no problem from that point of view.

Yes, I have Nero 7, but it keeps saying the file is too big, dont know why.

However, second, and potentially most importanly, I notice that your file uses Field Order A (Lower Field First after VS7), when normally, capturing from an analogue device uses Field Order B (Upper Field First). I don't know your capture device, but perhaps Vidoman, who does, can comment on this part. But at the very least, if you mix up the Field Orders, your final product will appear possibly jerky in parts and with shearing very noticeable in quick horizontal pans.

Third, does it really give the frame rate as 30 fps? I am in PAL land, but normally I thought VS gave the correct NTSC frame rate of 29.97 fps.

Yep, that the frame rate it gave me

Finally, I am sure it must be a typo, but can you confirm the bitrate please. You have typed 350 kbps, when previously we were talking about 3500 kbps.

Yea, it was a typo, its 3500

[Ken Berry]

Shrink cannot deal with a sinle mpeg-2 file. You have to convert it ("burn" it) in the VS burn module to either a final DVD disc image (.ISO) or else a DVD folder (Video_TS). Then you choose Shrink's 'Open File' option, point it at either the ISO file or Video_TS folder, and it should work.

However, you will have the 'problem' that your mpeg-2 file in any case appears to fit on a single layer DVD, regardless of what the blue progress bar might say...

[caveman]

eggs44

"I had a bit of a problem, I just got done rendering the file, but insted of it being smaller that 4.7 GB, it ended up being 9.2 GB?!?!?! "

9.2 gigs is large. I use Leadtek winFast TV 2000 XP capture card. I use the same settings each time, bitrate 8000 and variable. You note at this rate you can get one hour of good quality. But some times my video may be two hours long. Like I said before, I first break in down so it is easyer and quicker to edit and render. I add mp3 music into all my videos. Before editing each part I change the properties to 100% quality, 8000 variable, and from mpeg to LPCM. By useing LPCM you will eliminate any audio synchronizing problems. My first render is at high quality. While adding music, overlays, menus etc I use instanse quality. When I am complete I render high quality and then click share and make sure the file is still set to 100%, 8000 vbr, LPCM and create the file. I do all the parts this way. When all parts are complete I drag each completed mpeg file to the timeline. Render all together as one file and your done.

Next I burn the file not to a dvd but to a folder. Version 7 has a problem calculating the correct file size so I never burn directly to the dvd but to a folder only. At this point open up dvd shrink 3.2 and select open and point to the folder you saved your project. If will read it just fine. Play around with this program to learn it. Read the help stuff at the download site. What DVDshrink does is analyze the file adjust the bitrate to fit the DVD. I Just complete a project that was just over 2 hrs at 8000 vbr and it work great. Even though it was compressed it was great. However, with shrink you have the option to burn to a DVD 9. With a file as large as yours you want to consider it. Hope this helps.