RENDERING INvIDEO STUDIO 10

[Peter]

I have treid many times now to render an "Imported" video or DVD in VS10 and had no sucess.
the DVD/video imports and plays fine in the project but when I render it (in "same as project settings") the rendered video file is useless.

I tried this on a friend of mine's computer and got the same failure,

I then re-installed VS9 and did exactly the same proceedure and it worked perfect,
There must be a problem with VS10.

for your information just try and import a video and render it and look at the result

Can anyone help
pete

[Ken Berry]

As it is, no one could possibly offer any advice as you simply provide no information that we can work on. Many people 'import' files of various formats into VS10 many times a day, and have no trouble rendering...

What format is the file you imported? How did you import it exactly -- from a digital video camera, an analogue camera, a capture device? What is the exact make and model? How was it connected to your computer? What are you trying to produce? What are the 'project settings' you are using exactly? What are your computer specifications and operating system?

[lancecarr]

Yo Ken! You forgot shoe size.

[Peter]

Hi Ken
Thanks for your reply.
However would you please read my query correctly.
If You were to read properly you would see I quite clearly stated that I "Imported" both "DVD files" and "video files"
This means files from a DVD disc or MPEG, or VOB video files,
I thought you would at least have known that !.

I f you had used Ulead frequently you would know that the "Import" icon which sits in the centre of the timeline just above it (in ver 10) this gives the 4 options to "import" files into a project.
they are : Video, DVD/VR, Image, & Audio, as I said I had tried all.

Your reference to whether I imported from a camera or in digital or Analogue seems to show an ever futher lack of knowledge as you do not "import" for these sources they are "captured !.

Your reference to "Project settings" query Well when I say I rendered in the "same as project settings" I mean the "default" settings on studio 10, However I also tried other settings such as PAL DVD 16 x 9 which is the same as the material I was importing from a DVD Disc.

Here are my System Specifications:
SYSTEM SPECIFICATION as AT 10 AUGUST 2006

ASUS A8N-SLI DELUXE MOTHERBOARD VER 1.XX
BIOS VER 1017-004
CHIPSET NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI
Supports:
2xUltra DMA 133/100/66/33
4x Serial ATA 3GB Drives
RAID 0,RAID 1,RAID 1+0, & JBOD

SILICON IMAGE R3114R
Supports:
4x Serial ATA RAID
RAID 0,RAID 1,RAID 1+0, & RAID 5

Texas Instruments 1394 controller:
2x IEEE 1394 Firewire ports

SUPPORTS UP TO 10 USB 2 ports

ON BOARD ALC-850 Realtek 8 CHANNEL SOUND
AMD ATHLON XP 2 x 64 BIT 3800 DUAL CORE PROCESSOR

ALL DRIVES FORMATTED IN NTFS
RAID ARRAY STRIPED 2X WESTERN DIGITAL 120GB SERIAL ATA HARD DRIVES Partition 1) (240gb) WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL

WESTERN DIGITAL WD3200JB 7200rpm SERIAL ATA 320GB HARD DRIVE
Partition 2 WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL MEDIA CENTRE EDITION

ALL WINDOWS VERSIONS CONTAIN LATEST SERVICE PACK (SP2) + UPDATES

1GB 2x512 MB PC3200 DDR CORSAIR MEMORY slots 1& 3
1GB 2x512 MB PC3200 DDR CORSAIR MEMORY slots 2 & 4

Inno 3D NVidia GForce 7600GS GRAPHICS CARD 512 RAM
LG 4040B DVD WRITER DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW DVD-RAM
NEC DVD/RW 3500 16X DVD WRITER
STANDARD 1.4MB FLOPPY DRIVE
MITSUBISHI DIAMOND VIEW DV-172 17 INCH LCD FLAT SCREEN MONITOR
EPSON PERFECTION 1200 SCSI SCANNER
EPSON STYLUS R310 PHOTO PRINTER
CANON S520 COLOUR PRINTER
ANTEC P160 MIDI TOWER CASE
BILLION 7402vgo WIRELESS MODEM ROUTER


Drive Controllers:
IDE Primary Master WD1000JB 7200rpm ATA133 100GB HARD DRIVE
IDE Primary Slave NONE
IDE Secondary Master NEC DVD/RW 3500 16X DVD WRITER
IDE Secondary Slave NONE

PCI – EXPRESS SLOTS:
(NOT CONFIGURED FOR SLI)

1) INNO GFORCE NVIDIA 7600 GRAPHICS CARD
2)EMPTY


PCI SLOTS:

1) 1394 FIREWIRE CARD
2) EMPTY
3) EMPTY

SOFTWARE

WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL OPERATING SYSTEM +SP 2 (+all updates)
NERO BURING ROM DVD/DC WRITING SOFTWARE VER 7.2
NORTON SYSTEMWORKS 2005
ULEAD VIDEO STUDIO VER 9
ULEAD DVD WORKSHOP ver 2.2
MICROSOFT OFFICE XP 2003
ULEAD PHOTOIMPACT VER 11
POWER DVD VER 5
VERITAS RECORD NOW DVD SOFTWARE
ADOBE ACROBAT pro ver 6
MSN MESSENGER SERVICE “LIVE” VER 8 Beta

[Ken Berry]

Whoo-eee! So the kitty has claws!

The problem is, Peter, that we have more than a few people, some of them on this Board longer than you appear to have been, who use terms very loosely. One of the loosest is for the term which I know -- and apparently you do too -- as 'capturing'. And the most common alternative term they use for capturing is 'importing'. ('Ripping' and 'inserting' are two other relatively common ones which also spring quickly to mind.) So not having any previous experience of you that I can recall, nor any other information in your original question, I posed a number of questions of the type we usually use here to elicit information from people who may be new users on which a possible answer might be based.

Now, if we can re-sheath the daggers drawn, can I now ask if you can give us the properties, from within VS, of the files you have imported -- both from a DVD and from any other source. And for the purposes of comparison, we would need to know what the properties of the 'rendered' files are to see which default settings you are using. (Incidentally, I deliberately put 'rendered' into parenthesis because that is another term which is very loosely used...)

[Ron P.]

I have treid many times now to render an "Imported" video or DVD in VS10 and had no sucess.
the DVD/video imports and plays fine in the project but when I render it (in "same as project settings") the rendered video file is useless.

I tried this on a friend of mine's computer and got the same failure,

I then re-installed VS9 and did exactly the same proceedure and it worked perfect,
There must be a problem with VS10.

for your information just try and import a video and render it and look at the result

Can anyone help
pete

Peter,

I don't find anywhere in VS where you Import anything. The video files are inserted. For DV using a firewire (IEEE1394, or Sony iLink) you actually transfer data, even though this is often referred to as capturing. Your reference to Video could have been any number of formats. While it is safe to say the DVD files would be MPEG-2, some people have tried to use the VOB files.

So rather then attack Ken for your frustration with the program, would it have not be easier to respond with some answers, so that he could accurately provide a solution for you?

Ron P.

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Peter

With your video file in the timeline or library, using the mouse right click and select properties.

What are they?
These properties are an essential start to understanding what is going on.

Trevor

[Peter]

Hello again Ken.
Ok now the properties of the imported video seem to be always the same, as they come directly from a pre-recorded DVD disc they are as follows :
PAL-DVD,
MPEG 2-LOWER FIELD FIRST
24 BIT 720 X 576 16 X 9
25000 FRAMES PER SECOND
LPCM AUDIO
48000HTZ STEREO

These files come in as I said by "importing" them via the ICON folder in the centre screen just above the timeline,

These files play fine in the project and indeed play OK when I play the project back in the "Save" stage. but when Rendered they are always faulty.
I have tried rendering them is various formats such as PAL-DVD 16x9.
PAL DV 16 x9 , DV 4 x 3
all the rendered files are faulty they play but the video is either broken up or out of sync with the sound,
If I do exactly the same proceedure in Ulead Video Studio 9 the files are perfect.

The files I have "rendered" properties are of course the same as the selections I made in the Share process as stated (above)
Anyone know what going on ?
Thanks



Oh bye the way "video man" these files do use the word "Imported" in Studio 10 )

[Trevor Andrew]

Hi Peter

The bit-rate of 25000 is not used by Video Studio as a standard dvd template.
You can of course create an mpeg 2 file at 25000 kbps but will not be Dvd compliant.
25000 is very high.

Afaik the max bit rate for dvd is 9800kbps.
Yes I know you are going to say that the dvd you have is at 25000, I do not have an answer.

See http://www.videohelp.com/dvd
For dvd info.

Video Studio uses a max bit-rate of 8000 kbps

If you Share Create Video and select Pal-Dvd 16:9 you will create a file to the following properties..

MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-PAL), 16:9
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 8000 kbps)
LPCM Audio, 48000 Hz, Stereo

Trevor

[Ken Berry]

Uh, Trevor -- that's really 25.000 frames per second i.e. the standard PAL frame rate. I don't think it was meant to be the bitrate. Chalk and cheese. Mind you, he doesn't give us the bitrate...

Peter -- your description of the rendered video suggests that in fact the properties of your rendered file are not the same as the imported files. Can you tell us exactly what you do when you render them. I am assuming that you go to Share > Create Video File > PAL DVD, but in the drop down menu which appears, what do you then choose -- one of the presets? If so, which one? Or do you select Custom at the bottom? If so, what properties do you then select?

PS -- Like Vidoman, my verion of VS10+ also does not use the term 'import' but instead uses 'Insert'. Where exactly do you find the word 'import' within the program?

[DVDDoug]

These files play fine in the project and indeed play OK when I play the project back in the "Save" stage. but when Rendered they are always faulty.

I've had similar problems with MPEGs. The Ulead programs seem to be very sensitive to MPEG corruption. All of my "bad" MPEGs have played-back fine, but either caused the Ulead programs to crash, or generated DVDs with "lip-sync" problems.

...all the rendered files are faulty they play but the video is either broken up or out of sync with the sound,
If I do exactly the same proceedure in Ulead Video Studio 9 the files are perfect.

If VS9 works, use it !!!!

Did you edit the MPEGs? Almost all of my corrupted MPEGs got corrupted during the editing process. This was with VS8, and my solution was to buy a special-purpose MPEG editor.

Try making a DVD with an un-edited file. That will tell you if the problem is happening during ripping or during editing.

I don't "rip" DVDs very often, but I once ended-up with a corrupt MPEG after ripping, and before editing. In that case, the solution was to re-code it with SUPER. If I remember correctly, I just re-coded it to a slightly different bitrate. Transcoding to AVI/DV is probably a better idea. It's generally a BAD idea to re-code/transcode because you loose quality... but it did fix the corruption.

[Peter]

Yes ken you are quite correct at saying I use the standard presets when rendering.
exactly what I do is as follows:
Share > Create Video File > PAL DVD (16x9),
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-PAL), 16:9
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 8000 kbps)
LPCM Audio, 48000 Hz, Stereo

However it really does not make a lot of difference which preset I use it still comes out corrupt !.

I do not use this import facillity to copy DVDs or anything like that it's just that I make quite a lot of DVDs and occasionally I need to take a small section from an old DVD I have made and put it into the new project.

You are correct in saying the word "Insert" is used to select the folder you require (video/DVD-VR, ect ) but if you would just like to try the facillity you will see the process from there onwards referrs to "Importing" the video .
Give it a try Ken just open a new project and iinsert/import a small piece from any DVD you have and render it and let me know how it goes .
Thanks for your help
peter

[Ken Berry]

You don't seem to realise, Peter, that I have been doing this for a long time. You will see under my photo and name to the left that I have been on this version of the Board since December 2004, but in reality, I joined this Board's predecessor in April 2002, using VS7. A number of us have been here a lot longer.

And I have indeed 'imported' from DVDs many time, often for exactly the same reason as you -- just to get a little piece to insert amongst others of my own video... And I know the labels at that stage -- once you have selected Insert DVD/DVD-VR -- have Import on them... But the overall process is still labelled 'Insert'. And the real point I was trying to make is that a lot of people use the same term with a number of different meanings. There was a good example today when someone described what you and I understand as 'capture' as 'clip and file'.

And I should add that I might be among the lucky ones since I have never had any trouble 'importing' from a DVD, either in VS9 or now 10. The only recent problem I had was in trying to import a sliver of video and by mistake got the wrong language audio track (though in fact I was only after the video)! In cases like that, normally I resort to another program -- Video ReDo -- to extract the bits I am after. Unfortunately, though, that program costs about US$50.

[Trevor Andrew]

OH silly me, sorry, will have to clean my glasses.

I am used to seeing the info as (24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps)


Ok Peter
thanks for the info on the rendered file.
But what were the properties of the original file that was taken from the dvd?

If these were substandard then any amount of re-rendering will not improve quality.

So what are the original properties.

Trevor

Ps

I did not want to get involved in this petty description problem.

When you select either File-Insert Media File or the folder icon (Insert Media File) the following window (select a dvd title) indicates.

Select a DVD drive with a DVD title or press [Import DVD Folder] to import DVD folder on the hard drive

[Peter]

Hi Everyone.
In answer to your query Trevor , the properties of the imported file are allways the same , ie..if I import from a DVD disc they are of course VOB files , if I import from a video file they are usually MPEG files,
The files taken fro any source are always of good quality otherwise I would not re-use them.
but whatever source I take the files from they are always fauly when rendered , as I mentioned previously they seem perfect when plated back in the VS project,
I might add that any other process I perform with VS10 is fine it renders ordinary DV files captured from my camera fine,

None of the replys to this forum have yet told me they have tried to do what I am doing ? all you need to do is open a new project put a DVD disc in your drive that has good footage on it and go to the Inset media icon select "inset DVD/VR and Import a small section of the footage on the disc into your project (perhaps just even the tittle) and then render it and tell me if it's OK.
This test process would only take a few minutes please try it and let me know.
Peter