Questions about basic edit/burn process in 10 Plus

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:27 am

I tend to agree with you Ken. I certainly could not see an advantage of having IEEE1394 In/Out if it would only take this input from a digital camcorder and just put it through. You could just connect your camcorder straight to the IEEE1394 port on your PC

Unless, of course, it only routes the IEEE1394 In port to a USB Out, unlikely.

Post by **Ron P.** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:30 am

heinz-oz wrote:
vidoman wrote:Hagadorn,

While you do have a fast computer, and followed the recommended procedures, it is normal to take around 1.5 times the duration to create a video file. So 3 hours is not an extremely long time to create a 1 hour video file.

While yes in theory you can skip this step, it is not recommended to do. Besides you are not going to gain any time. The video file(s) will still need to be created. If you are editing DV-AVI, then the encoding to DVD compatible MPEG-2 will still take place. So it will still take around 3 hours to complete.

Once you have your DVD compatible video file created, the DVD burning should not be very long.

Ron P.
Hello vidoman,

where does it say he is capturing DV-AVI? As far as I understand, he is capturing analog to mpeg. Unless I misread something

Well I read his first post, and not his second one, and from that thought that he might be capturing and editing DV. Also I should have worded that sentence differently. It was meant to reflect an example. The if you are, of course reflects that I wasn't sure what the OP was using..

Ron P.

hagadorn · Post by **hagadorn** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:44 am

I'm confused as to how this works. If I wanted to use a Firewire connection with my Pinnacle capture device, I would connect my analog source to the video and audio IN and then the IEEE cable would go from the DV port IN/OUT to a Firewire card on my computer, thus converting the analog signal to DV?

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:49 am

First, just as you were not certain the device had a firewire port, make sure your computer does not already have one that you don't know about!!

RE speed -- no, you won't be able to capture any faster as that is all done in real time. And it will still take around the same time to render from a DV project to a DVD-compatible mpeg-2. It's just that the initial quality should be better and you will potentially have less problems if you capture and edit in DV, than you would capturing to mpeg-2 and editing that...

Re your latest question -- yep, you've got it.

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:52 pm

Hagadorn,
I'm not surprised that you are confused. It must be like walking into a kitchen with 17 cooks and asking how to make a soufflé.

It is a lot worse, when the cooks start arguing about whose recipe is better. The new user is then placed in the position of having to decide on the basis of very little knowledge which recipe to follow.

In actuality, all of the recipes work well if followed consistently. But if you mix recipe A with a bit of recipe B and a touch of C, you are going to have a real mess on your hands and you will not have learned a thing.

There is a recommended procedure posted at the top of this forum that spells out a few workflows that work well if followed with care. If I were you I would print it out and follow it. There are also links to other websites, with other workflows that work well if followed consistently.

No offense is intended for any other recipe or to any of the cooks.

hagadorn · Post by **hagadorn** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:56 pm

Ken, there is an SB1394 Firewire port on my Creative Soundblaster Audigy 2 video card - will that work? The only problem is it requires a 6-pin, like the Pinnacle, and Pinnacle only provided a 6x4-pin so it looks like I need to buy a 6x6 pin, correct? Thanks for advising me to look for one already on my computer! You guys rock!

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:00 pm

You can buy 6 to 6 pin cables anywhere you get PC cables. In fact, I also have a 4 to 4 pin.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:09 pm

hagadorn -- yes, that is a Firewire port even though only 4 pin. (The difference between 4 pin and 6 pin, apart from size, is that the 6 pin ports and plugs use two extra lines which can carry power. But given that the sort of devices you are connecting have their own independent power supplies makes this largely irrelevant. The remaining four lines carry the digital signal and that is really what matters.)

I am a little surprised, though, since I thought that Soundblaster card came with a separate half plate which has two full size Firewire ports on it. But maybe the people who built your computer decided they did not have enough space on the back of the box to install that extra plate.

hagadorn · Post by **hagadorn** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:17 pm

It IS a 6-pin port, that's what I meant by "it requires a 6-pin" So the Pinnacle capture device has a 6-pin DV IN/OUT and my sound card has a 6-pin 1394 Firewire port. All I need to do is make a trip to Radio Shack to get a 6x6 cable.

BTW, can you recommend a set of properties if I start using this type of DV capture?

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:20 pm

Sorry -- misread your post!

As for capturing in DV, you don't need to set anything. Use the default that VS sets.

maddrummer3301 · Post by **maddrummer3301** » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:44 pm

hagadorn · Post by **hagadorn** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:03 am

Bad news - the only place I can get a 6x6 pin Firewire cable locally is at Bestbuy and it's a gold version at $36 USD. I can get it online at Amazon for $15 but it's an Apple Thin. Why is it so hard to find this kind of cable? BTW, I looked at my sound card and it doesn't have a second internal 1394 port.

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:46 am

The 6 pin to 6 pin are not very common, that's the only reason I can think of. Firewire cables are not cheap at the best of times but US$ 36.- is a bit stiff

hagadorn · Post by **hagadorn** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:55 am

Do you think I could use the "Apple Thin" or is it too thin for this kind of data transfer? Maybe it's made for iPods and smaller gadgets.

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:11 am

Not sure how to answer your question. One thing is for certain though, I don't think you will find many small gadgets like iPods with a 6 pin IEEE1394 port.

I checked around here and I can get a good, solid 6 pin to 6 pin for around Australian $ 20.-. That's less than US$ 15.-. I suggest you shop around a bit more. Cheap and flimsy cables are the "more expensive" solution in the end, because they fail quickly. Broken wires can also shorten out expensive peripherals and damage these. Not worth a couple of dollars saving on the cable.