Replicated+Dropped Frame Using QuickTime Video

[geoffschultz]

I am utilizing a QuickTime video shot on an Olympus C-8080 at 640x480 and 15 FPS. When I view the video in VS9/VS10, I see that frames 24-27 each second are the exact same frame. The rest of the frames are paired (i.e. 0/1, 2/3, etc). The frame that should be in 26/27 is dropped. When I view the exact same video file in Adobe Premire, I see all of the frames as expected.

This leads to non-fluid motion. This feels like a codec problem. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this?

-- Geoff
http://www.GeoffSchultz.org/

[maddrummer3301]

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[geoffschultz]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I had already applied the fix (replacing uvqt.vio) without success.

-- Geoff

[geoffschultz]

I've spent a lot of time (just ask my fiance) trying to find a workaround to this and the only one that I've come up with is converting the .MOV files to .AVI files using QuickTime Pro. I tried Super and another program, but they wouldn't generate AVI files that were editable. I could include them into my timeline and view them, but when VS wouldn't really handle mark in/outs and when I created a video file using them, those clips were black.

So, using QuickTime Pro I found that if I exported an AVI file, Cinepak compression, 30 FPS, unlimited data rate and highest compression quality. This generated a file with the least artifacts which was easily editable.

I really hate going to an intermediate file as I can see compression artifacts as well as shadow blocking occurring. Ulead really needs to look at this and fix it so you can use 1st generation files.

-- Geoff

[heinz-oz]

Your problems are due to the very nature of your clips. You have a non DVD compliant frame size and frame rate. Your clips are only good for viewing on the PC. To put onto DVD, the program needs to resize your frame size to that of your relevant TV system (NTSC 720 x 480 or PAL 720 x 576) and invent padding frames (duplicate) frames to make up for the nominal 25 fps (PAL) or 29.97 fps (NTSC). Because the aspect ratio of your original clips is different to the TV standard, there will be some distortion also.

You could, however, overcome this hurdle by showing the clip in its original size within a window (stationary moving path) apropriately sized.

[geoffschultz]

Heinz,

Thanks for the response, but who ever said anything about NTSC or DVDs? My work is posted on my web site. My output files match my input files. They're all 640x480 @ 15 FPS. My problem is that VS is replicating frames 24/25 into 26/27 and not utilizing frame 14 of 15 for 26/27. This is just wrong.

I understand that if I want to output this to DVD/NTSC that my format is wrong & I accept that.

-- Geoff

[Ron P.]

You might check the codec your camera uses to create the MOV files. I have a Kodak Easyshare P880, that can create video clips in the MOV format. It uses the old MJPEG codec.

I'm able to edit the clips in VS, because the software that came with the camera installed the codec on my system. If it does use MJPEG codec, check the software for your camera, it should be included. If not you can google for it, sadly though it is not free..

Ron P.

[heinz-oz]

Heinz,

Thanks for the response, but who ever said anything about NTSC or DVDs? My work is posted on my web site. My output files match my input files. They're all 640x480 @ 15 FPS. My problem is that VS is replicating frames 24/25 into 26/27 and not utilizing frame 14 of 15 for 26/27. This is just wrong.

I understand that if I want to output this to DVD/NTSC that my format is wrong & I accept that.

-- Geoff

Ooops, sorry just misread your post.

[geoffschultz]

Ron,

Thanks so VERY VERY MUCH for your suggestion. I googled "Olympus C-8080 CODEC" and found a pointer to MP4Cam2AVI which is a program that losslessly extracts the video data to an AVI format file. VS doesn't have the problems previously described with the AVI file and there no recoding! Thanks again!

-- Geoff