Burning Dual Layer VS 10+

[middlebury madness]

I have searched and read for a good while trying to find an answer and could not.

1. I know my dual layer is funcitoning since I used it with a different program last week just fine.

2. I know the disks work because they are the same ones I used sucessfully from the same package etc.

3. I am now burning all my VS 10+ projects to ISO files then to DVD.

4. The capture, project and burnig properties are all the same.

Also burned a disk from VS10+ DUal layer with 10 chapters that worked just fine. Now I am burning a project with three chapters and making it from an ISO file and on the third chapter it is going back to the first chapter content.

Have we figured out what causes this and how to correct it?

Sorry if the answer is already posted but I had spent too muach time looking at unrelated posts that came up on my "dual layer " search in Video Studio forms

[richmg821]

MM.
The only thing wrong is that Ulead, whos' stuff I never had a problem before; has not admitted they have a DL burning problem with VS10. Every person who has offered their help, never tried burning a DL DVD with this software. You tell them in ENGLISH, that the disc, the burner, works fine with other software; but using Ulead VS 10, after 4.7 GB, (the second layer) the first videos, are burned again on the second layer. All I'm looking for, is Ulead to admit they have a DL burning bug; and I won't have to try to waste another DL DVD+R disc. It's not a coaster, it just burns the wrong info. I know a software problem, from a hardware.
No one has wrote back, and said anything from Ulead, after I fully decribed what I told you. They haven't even said; "They tried it, and there wasn't a problem". Everyone who had a DL problem, that I read on here; has the same exact problem. If people think rendering a full DVD takes long, tell them to render a DL DVD. I refuse to do it again, until I get something from Ulead. And I thought the "P" company was bad. It takes so long to render a DL DVD, I could see the change in my electric bill. So it'll be a while, before I try again.

[middlebury madness]

Rich,

I haven't gotten replys from Ulead support the last two emails so hopefully they are working on it. In the mean time I have simply split my project onto two separate disks, not how I wanted it but got the job done and off my computer.

Thanks for the reply.

MM

[sjj1805]

..... Every person who has offered their help, never tried burning a DL DVD with this software.....

I agree, I haven't tried using a dual layer disc yet - too expensive.
I take it the normal 'fixes' with Single layer discs have all been tried and failed - Problems burning a DVD

If so I would like to hear if anyone has been able to correctly burn a dual layer DVD and if possible provide the forum with a few details of

• Burn speed used
• Bit Rates.
• Confirm which software was used to burn the DVD. I know that sounds odd but a user may have used VideoStudio to create the DVD onto a hard drive then burned with some other software.

[maddrummer3301]

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[richmg821]

Steve,
I know you are trying to help people. [MODERATOR MESSAGE: POST EDITED, PLEASE READ FORUM RULES HERE: http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=5758 THIS IS YOUR FIRST WARNING!) I have burned, sold over 200 DVD's, with 16X TY media; without one return. I used to have problems, burning with cheap, or up to second grade media. When I use good blank media, my DVD players; play them all, regardless of fromat; DVD-R, +R, -RW, +RW, DL+RW. If you buy top quality media, you will see. Steve, have you ever bought top quality blank media? I bought DVDR's & CDR's when they were over $10; so I can't see why you say a $1.50 DL DVD is expensive. DVDr's were around $2 apiece, when Ulead VS7 came out; unless you bought some cheapos, which I have done.
I render my AVI's to DVD's @ 8000 or 8200, CBR; without ever having a problem. I save my work to ISO files, so I won't have to render again.
I also compared saving ISO files, to VOB files; and I could see the difference also. The ISO saved files, were close to the original. The VOB files showed more compression, poorer quality.
I first used Ulead, to make the DL DVD, after rendering and making a ISO file. When the DVD was finished, the DL DVD played on all my DVD players. The menus were correct. Did you hear that Steve; I know you are not too technical. I'll repeat it again 2X, so you can read it; It played on all my DVD players. But, the chapters 6-10; played chapters 1-5 instead of 6-10. Steve, changing the bitrate, burning speed, will not change the data, of what is burned on layer, it shouldn't take a Einstein to figure that out.
I then burned the ISO file, that I made with Ulead; but using Nero6, and got the same exact results.
Also MM, when I used to buy cheap blank media; it played on some of my DVD players, not on others, skipped, froze. And like you, the cheap media worked better in the cheap DVD players, and had problems with the two +$500 ones.
What I'm trying to tell Steve, is when you have a bad burn; your DVD player will not play normal. It will skip, jump, lockup, show no media inside, etc. or freeze. If Steve thinks, that slowing the speed of the burn rate, is going to change the ISO data that is written, to layer #2; to show chapters 6-10; he needs to get a book on how data is written. Again, and I will say again (2X speed for Steve); I have, and so did everyone else; have NO PROBLEMS burning DL DVD's with OTHER software programs, at any burning speed. DID YOU READ THAT STEVE... using their ISO files, or direct to DL DVD. Same burner, same media.
Steve I got something for your slow burning procedure. I'll burn my 8X DL DVD+R one time, using the same ISO file made with Ulead @ 2X speed; and if it works, I'll send you 10 TY, DVD-R blank DVD's. But, If I get the same result; you send me $5 via PAY PAL.. How about that???
Bet???
Go here to find the best Media:
http://www.best-dvd-burning-software-re ... asp#blanks
By the way Steve, is your media listed here, and what do you use?

Rich.

[Ron P.]

Rich,

I fail to see why you feel it necessary to personally attack Steve, or anyone on this forum. You're repeated derrogatory statements attacking his intelligence is far from professional, and only reflects directly back on you. If you are as knowledgeable as you claim, then why waste your time posting this garbage? If you felt compelled to assist with the topic, then please do so in a constructive manner, which would help the OP.

It's a shame that you feel more like inciting arguments then helping..

Please edit or better yet delete your post, as the Mod or Admin will probably do so...

Ron P.

[maddrummer3301]

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[heinz-oz]

Steve,
I know you are trying to help people. But you're kinda thickheaded and cheap. You sound like a broken record, about burn speed. I have burned, sold over 200 DVD's, with 16X TY media; without one return. I used to have problems, burning with cheap, or up to second grade media. When I use good blank media, my DVD players; play them all, regardless of fromat; DVD-R, +R, -RW, +RW, DL+RW. If you buy top quality media, you will see. Steve, have you ever bought top quality blank media? I bought DVDR's & CDR's when they were over $10; so I can't see why you say a $1.50 DL DVD is expensive. DVDr's were around $2 apiece, when Ulead VS7 came out; unless you bought some cheapos, which I have done.
I render my AVI's to DVD's @ 8000 or 8200, CBR; without ever having a problem. I save my work to ISO files, so I won't have to render again.
I also compared saving ISO files, to VOB files; and I could see the difference also. The ISO saved files, were close to the original. The VOB files showed more compression, poorer quality.
I first used Ulead, to make the DL DVD, after rendering and making a ISO file. When the DVD was finished, the DL DVD played on all my DVD players. The menus were correct. Did you hear that Steve; I know you are not too technical. I'll repeat it again 2X, so you can read it; It played on all my DVD players. But, the chapters 6-10; played chapters 1-5 instead of 6-10. Steve, changing the bitrate, burning speed, will not change the data, of what is burned on layer, it shouldn't take a Einstein to figure that out.
I then burned the ISO file, that I made with Ulead; but using Nero6, and got the same exact results.
Also MM, when I used to buy cheap blank media; it played on some of my DVD players, not on others, skipped, froze. And like you, the cheap media worked better in the cheap DVD players, and had problems with the two +$500 ones.
What I'm trying to tell Steve, is when you have a bad burn; your DVD player will not play normal. It will skip, jump, lockup, show no media inside, etc. or freeze. If Steve thinks, that slowing the speed of the burn rate, is going to change the ISO data that is written, to layer #2; to show chapters 6-10; he needs to get a book on how data is written. Again, and I will say again (2X speed for Steve); I have, and so did everyone else; have NO PROBLEMS burning DL DVD's with OTHER software programs, at any burning speed. DID YOU READ THAT STEVE... using their ISO files, or direct to DL DVD. Same burner, same media.
Steve I got something for your slow burning procedure. I'll burn my 8X DL DVD+R one time, using the same ISO file made with Ulead @ 2X speed; and if it works, I'll send you 10 TY, DVD-R blank DVD's. But, If I get the same result; you send me $5 via PAY PAL.. How about that???
Bet???
Go here to find the best Media:
http://www.best-dvd-burning-software-re ... asp#blanks
By the way Steve, is your media listed here, and what do you use?

Rich.

Who do you think you are? God's gift to the video editing fraternaty? You should have spend some time to learn manners among all the other things you seem you are so good at.

As far as I'm concerned, you are a legend in your own mind.

If you don't agree with the help offered by someone else, put your view next to it. There is no need to attack someone personally just because you disagree with his advice.

This kind of behaviour is unwarranted and could get you disqualified from this forum. I, for one, would back a call for that.

[Devil]

Steve,
I know you are trying to help people. But you're kinda thickheaded and cheap. You sound like a broken record, about burn speed.

His record is not broken, there is sound scientific evidence for it. I have examined DVDs burnt, on the same named media, when burnt at different speeds, using a phase contrast metallurgical microscope. I can assure you that there is a difference, a big difference, in the contrast and sharpness, with distinct improvements with low speed burning.

I believe you owe Steve a big apology for your unwarranted ad hominem attack. Let's see if you're a man.

[richmg821]

I appologize to everyone, if you're offended. And especially to Steve. My point being, if your going to tell people about burning at low speed, then also tell them at a higher speed, if you use the best media you won't have those problems. (I'm not going to sound like a broken record, and tell you I've burned over 200 DVD's, no problem, again & again). Does anyone in here use TY discs? And like I said before, and agreed with Steve, very few disc, are grade 1; and all the others, to be sure they burn right, I use 4 or 8X. Tell them the whole story; Tell them what media you used on your test, I seen the metalurgy report, but I don't feel, it's complete, unless you tried it on most media, and compared them, if you really interested in results. What media was used? How do I know it wasn't some 3rd grade brand? It means a great difference. Don't tell half a story. Buy some grade 1 disks, and see if you'll still burn at 4x.
I'm here to get/wait for the patch, and if I'm kicked off the forum here, I won't lose any sleep, I'll sleep 16X better. Still everyone here seems to beat around the bush, not ONE has submitted, what type of blank media they are using. Most of the people inquiring on here are probaly newbies, and I think it's a shame, to keep telling them to burn at 4x; when they have high speed burners, and all they have to do is buy better media. If I have NO problems burning @12x on 16X on the best media. I don't think it is fair, for a guy who never burned DL media, TY media; to insist on this over and over. Just like he admits, he never burned DL's (too expensive); He should just also say, "I recommend burning at 4x, because I never buy the best media; and most people don't, or won't. But, there are people who buy the best 16X media, and don't have problems"; then I wouldn't have a problem. Now if people don't want to hear the truth, or be one sided; and tell a partial story, I'm not for it. Great, tell the people about burning at lower speeds; but don't forget to add, there's people who burn 12-16x using the best media, which you don't find on the corner or computer store shelves. Usually only by internet only. Even Sony, is not top grade.
That's all I ask for, is to be fair. I won't tell anyone how to burn a Blu-ray disc; because, I haven't bought one yet. And it's my befief, if you haven't burned a DL, or used TY disc, don't go there. People want answers, that come on here, not speculation. I would never tell anyone this & that, and only used 6 brands of DVD disc, and never a DL? That's like me telling everyone, to only buy Sony cams, and I never checked out Canon or Panasonic, etc.. I won't do that. Be helpful yes, but also to included the media used, if you're going to talk about test; and fair enough let other people know, other people have success, with good media you never tried. And that's why I went off. Let people know there are options out there that work, whether you tried them or not. Again, I have to really appologize to Steve, he doesn't work for Ulead, and it wasn't fair, to take out my frustrations on him. But if someone again contacts, from Ulead, and tells me something stupid to do again; I'm going off. Admit it doesn't work, and get us a working patch.

[sjj1805]

..... Every person who has offered their help, never tried burning a DL DVD with this software.....

I agree, I haven't tried using a dual layer disc yet - too expensive.
I take it the normal 'fixes' with Single layer discs have all been tried and failed - Problems burning a DVD

If so I would like to hear if anyone has been able to correctly burn a dual layer DVD and if possible provide the forum with a few details of

• Burn speed used
• Bit Rates.
• Confirm which software was used to burn the DVD. I know that sounds odd but a user may have used VideoStudio to create the DVD onto a hard drive then burned with some other software.

If you read my post again you will find that
1. I have clearly stated that I have NOT tried using a dual layer disc yet and that I agreed with you that

..... Every person who has offered their help, never tried burning a DL DVD with this software.....

I take it the normal 'fixes' with Single layer discs have all been tried and failed

This serves to confirm that you have tried the various fixes that have been suggested including bit rates and burn speed and that this did not resolve any issues.

If so I would like to hear if anyone has been able to correctly burn a dual layer DVD and if possible provide the forum with a few details of

• Burn speed used
• Bit Rates.
• Confirm which software was used to burn the DVD. I know that sounds odd but a user may have used VideoStudio to create the DVD onto a hard drive then burned with some other software.

If you would like to read that carefully I am attempting to perform a DATA gathering excercise to see if we as a user group can between us establish a cure.

It appears to me that you have either misread or misinterpreted my response.

On a positive note - thank you for supplying the forum membership with your suggestion of purchasing more expensive discs.
Of course if you said so in the first place instead of writing this

MM.
The only thing wrong is that Ulead, whos' stuff I never had a problem before; has not admitted they have a DL burning problem with VS10. Every person who has offered their help, never tried burning a DL DVD with this software. You tell them in ENGLISH, that the disc, the burner, works fine with other software; but using Ulead VS 10, after 4.7 GB, (the second layer) the first videos, are burned again on the second layer. All I'm looking for, is Ulead to admit they have a DL burning bug; and I won't have to try to waste another DL DVD+R disc. It's not a coaster, it just burns the wrong info. I know a software problem, from a hardware.
No one has wrote back, and said anything from Ulead, after I fully decribed what I told you. They haven't even said; "They tried it, and there wasn't a problem". Everyone who had a DL problem, that I read on here; has the same exact problem. If people think rendering a full DVD takes long, tell them to render a DL DVD. I refuse to do it again, until I get something from Ulead. And I thought the "P" company was bad. It takes so long to render a DL DVD, I could see the change in my electric bill. So it'll be a while, before I try again.

The I am sure a lot of the subsequent nastiness could have been avoided.

[maddrummer3301]

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[heinz-oz]

Now that that is out of the way, I think we would do the right thing in trying to get to the bottom of this issue.

Meanwhile I have two Dual Layer burners but have, so far, not attempted to burn a DL.

Reason 1 being the price of the blanks, reason 2 is the reported problems with it and 3rd but not least, I don't want lengthy home movies that nobody would want to watch, due to the length of them. My projects tend to be around the 1 hour, max 1 1/2 hours. These will fit easily and in good quality onto an SL blank.

I agree with maddrummer3301, in order to eliminate certain reasons and come up with a working solution, we need to get everybody's input as to the media used and the results they got. Everything else is humbug.

[middlebury madness]

I was getting worried I had opened pandoras box with my original post.... wasn't sure I wanted to stay involved, glad it seems to be settled. I can tell you when things go wrong it can really get your blood boiling, just be glad we have fourms to help out otherwise we would all be reinventing the wheel.

I've tried so many things I am now confused as to what I got finnally to work this last time. I went back and reburned the last project one last time trying to resolve the problem.... Burned correctly and the chapters are all correct.

Re Dual layer....
I have always used Verbatim DVD+R DL because it was what was reccomended for my burner NEC DVD RW ND 2510A with USB 2 Connection.(AKA Mad Dog) Ihave had it a couple of years and it has functioned without too many problems. I have upgraded the firmware etc, but am looking to get a new one probably a Sony to replace my current SL Sony internal.

I created an ISO file then used the Roxio Disc copier rather than the Ulead VCD DVD image writer plug in. I set it at the lowest speed 4x but it wrote at only 1.1-1.5 because of some conflict I couldn't understand but all it does is slow down the writing which is fine with me. It worked... could it be the image writer? the image writer seems to do fine with the SL.

I will be doing another project that will need to be Dual layer in the next few days will keep careful track of everything I do.

MM