Upper Field is A or B

Tippytoes · Post by **Tippytoes** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:44 pm

Another stupid question. Will I be happy when I can just capture, edit and burn.....

I am capturing from analog tapes with Ulead 9 Wizard.

Editing with Ulead 7 SE.

Double checked my Project properties and when I select AVI, I have the option of Frame-based ([b]which I have inadvertantly been using[/b]), Field Order A and Field Order B.

From everything I have read, Ulead before or including version 7 had the orders reversed. So................what do I select? Have no idea in what order it was captured (I capture in AVI). The only options I am given is when I start editing.

After all my questions and all the answers, I feel I am back at square one.

My burned DVDs look great when played on my DVD player and TV and on my computers....but am wondering if the difference will show up on another player or another TV......so want the correct setup from the git-go.

Thanks.

tippy.................

TDK1044 · Post by **TDK1044** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:55 pm

Just render using the 'same as project properties' setting and you'll be fine. Regarding your other point; if your completed DVD plays back well on your stand alone DVD player then it will play back well on 95 percent of the stand alone DVD players out there. There will always be the occasional rogue player (usually a high end player) that will not like your Disk.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:59 pm

In older Ulead software, lower field was called FIELD-A

Regards,
George

Tippytoes · Post by **Tippytoes** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:40 pm

Quote: "Just render using the 'same as project properties' setting and you'll be fine........... "

So what you are suggesting is "leave well enough alone."

My project properties were frame-based..........and I have been warned over and over again, not to use frame-based. BUT if it all turns out in the end, I should not be concerned. Right?

It had occurred to me that maybe if I changed Project Properties to Upper field (B) for analog, that I might get better quality. Trying so very hard to improve the quality of the finished product.

tippy...............

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:51 pm

It had occurred to me that maybe if I changed Project Properties to Upper field (B) for analog, that I might get better quality. Trying so very hard to improve the quality of the finished product.

There's one way to find out......

TDK1044 · Post by **TDK1044** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:52 pm

You're absolutely correct. If your footage is analog, then you should be capturing using Upper Field First at capture (Field B with your version of VS) and then use the same as project properties setting going forward.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:09 pm

What device(s) are you using to capture from analog tapes

Also, when you say you capture *.avi -- what type of *.avi (dv .avi, or some other type of .avi)

I only ask for clarification (on my part). Because you might be feeding an anlog source into a DV camcorder that can convert to dv on-the-fly and transfer to your computer via firewire as dv .avi -- in which case your "analog" capture will be converted to lower-field first when the dv conversion occurs.

Also, there are some analog capture devices that capture as lower-field first...

Regards,
George

Tippytoes · Post by **Tippytoes** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:48 pm

Thanks for all the replies.

I am using an ADS Video Xpress device because I wanted to capture my analog tapes in AVI format. Not mpg.

I am capturing DV/AVI, YUY2, 720X480

Ulead 9 Wizard for capturing.............it does not give me an option for fields, etc. Notice after capture that it is framebased.

After starting this topic this a.m., I captured a bit, then rendered the following 3 ways: using Ulead 7 SE in Framebased, field A and then field B......Noticed NO difference. (Ulead 7 SE is all I have for editing except for Microsoft Movie Maker and VirtualDub and at this point am not investing in an updated version of anything. Using what I have.)

So guess I will stick with what I have, and what I have been doing, as it appears to be giving me good results. I just was looking for a way to improve quality if possible.

Have tried every suggestion that has been made on this forum........so truly appreciate.

tippy..............

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:21 pm

I think nobody will discuss here that you need above all stay consistent throughout.
So if after capture you get frame-based, it's turtles (sorry frame-based) all the way down young man...

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:53 pm

Hi Tippy

One thing, when you capture you have the option to select the ‘Capture Format’

Are you selecting DV from the drop down box.

Does the format remain as DV or does it revert to AVI.

If it is DV then you are capturing true Dv-Avi.
You have no settings/properties to select other than the Dv type—one or two, use one (Dv-Type 1)
This form of capture is via a firewire connection.

If it reverts to Avi then you have to set the capture properties, you are now capturing Avi. You are capturing from an anologue source.

The big difference is that with (DV) Dv-Avi you are copying the data from your capture device, camcorder etc. (very easy on your pc—(What you have is what you get)

With Avi capture, the process has to recode the data to the capture settings you have selected.
In fact this is the same for any other capture Mpeg-Dvd-Wmv etc

Hope this Helps

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:55 pm

Tippytoes wrote:....
My burned DVDs look great when played on my DVD player and TV and on my computers....but am wondering if the difference will show up on another player or another TV......so want the correct setup from the git-go.

Thanks.

tippy.................

Tippy, rest assured, if your DVD player and TV show the footage correctly and in good quality, your field order settings are OK. Any other combination of DVD player/TV will see it the same.

There may be issues with media type/brand on some DVD players but that's "normal" and has absolutely nothing to do with field order.

Keep doing what you are doing now (since your quality is good) and try to take this field order issue out of your mind. You got it right by the sound of it. That's all there is to it. If one day you use a different method of capture and you get jerky looking video as a result, change the field order for that type of capture.

Good luck.

Tippytoes · Post by **Tippytoes** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:54 pm

Thanks, Heinz-Oz. You said: ".............. and try to take this field order issue out of your mind. "

Guess I was making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

And really getting frustrated along the way.

And now I will do as you say, forget about that issue, and go back to capturing, editing and burning using my original procedure.

Tippy..................

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