Media Studio Pro 7

[Joey54]

Hi guys how are you all I am having a problem as I am new to MSP7 I have edited some video clips with slow motion on them and I have rendered only the slow motion clips but when I play them back after burning them on DVD the pictures are very jerky they playback very well in the editor also the normal speed 25 frames per second plays a litle jerky too did anyone have this problem before and if so can you please tell me what I am doing wrong?? much appreciated .
You can also send me an email if you prefer
thanks and kind Regards Joey

[heinz-oz]

First things first, did you patch your version of MSP 7 with SP3?

Not that this has anything to do with what you experienced.

In order to slow down a movie clip, any video editor, not only MSP, needs to create (duplicate) the frames in a clip. That in itself is not a problem but the TV picture is made up of 2 fields per frame which are interlaced. Especially with moving subjects, the position of any subject within the 2 fields for one frame is slightly different. Now, depending on which of the fields are duplicated and in what order, movement becomes jerky.

The only way to overcome this is to make the clip frame based rather than field based. My favourite process is to double the speed of the clip. This will force MSP to drop every second field, resulting in exactly one field per frame. Now render a new clip, frame based, and introduce that back to the time line. You can change the speed of this clip at will without the previously encountered jerkiness.

[Devil]

In addition, it is always better to speed up/slow down by factors of two, e.g. ¼, ½, 2, 4. Professional systems can do a better job by analysing the video frame-by-frame and then calculating intermediate frames mathematically, so they can speed up/slow down to any speed. However, this is beyond the capabilities of a PC and you are looking at costs of several $10k for the hardware.

[Joey54]

Hi Heinz how are you mate I will try what you are telling me tonight sounds like this is my problem I really appreciate it alot mate thanks for being such a helpfull person .
Cheers heinz-oz
also thanks to devil for his imput understood it thanks mate

Kind Regards Joey54

[Gorf]

...Now, depending on which of the fields are duplicated and in what order, movement becomes jerky.

The only way to overcome this is to make the clip frame based rather than field based...

Sorry, but I disagree with this.

If you follow Devil's advice and use binary quotients when slowing down (1/2, 1/4 etc) and the clip is still jerky, then you're definitely using the wrong field order as you state - upper-field first when the clip is actually lower-field, or vice versa. But all you need to do to fix the problem is to change the clip's field order in "Media source options" and the problem will sort itself out.

If you slow down a clip that MSP thinks is frame-based, when in reality it's field-based (as you suggest), you will get a flicker on playback (on an interlaced TV). With field-based clips, the fields are separated to make up the extra frames needed. With frame based clips, the entire frame is duplicated. If that entire frame duplication is really showing two fields, there will be flickering as each subsequent frame flicks back to display the first field.

Confused? I'm not surprised. It's a really hard concept to get to grips with. Just remember that if you're using a field based source and getting flickering of any description, either your project or your media source has the wrong field order. If the flickering only happens when you introduce artificial movement into the project (e.g. a page turn transition) then BOTH the clip and the project have the wrong field order, but it's cancelling itself out most of the time.

[heinz-oz]

You can disagree all you like, no argument here. It works for me and I have no problem with reversed field order

I'm sure there is, as always, more than 1 way to skin a cat. Glad you found a way too and are willing to share it here.

[Joey54]

Hi guys how are you , sorry I don't get in here that often I am a busy man , I will be trying both answers tonight I just can't understand why I don't get a smooth slow motion like all the other editors is very annoying when you have a lot of work to spend so many hours trying to get results with a slow motion clip, by the way on the slow motion clip I used 30 speed which is the slow motion I need for my clip I understand that the slower the more jerky that is way I chose 30 speed but anyway I will try tonight . thanks heinz oz and gorf I really appreciate what ever help you or anyone can give me as any problems with the MSP7 are very frustrating for me.

Kind regards to all Joey54

[Joey54]

Hi heinz sorry about one of your answers I'm a bit slow sometimes you mentioned about SP3 well to tell you the truth I never upgraded my MSP7 with any of these SP3 I tried the other day to upgrade my MSP7 with SP3 and after my PC restarted I could'nt open the editor so I had to install my MSP7 again as the SP did not work also I can't see any earlier upgrades in Ulead page I was told that the SP3 has the lot in it but it did not work for me .
Kind regards Joey54

[heinz-oz]

Hi joey54, sorry you didn't get the SP3 to work. The original release of MSP 7 was troublesome to many users. This goes back a couple of years and I'm not so firm on the details anymore.

I didn't have too many problems with it but enough to make me install SP 3 when it became available. Ever since, I have no trouble at all. In fact, I'm so happy with it that I haven't felt the urge to upgrade to the new MSP 8. All the extras and new stuff offered by MSP 8 do not really address any improvements I would need and, hence, I stick with what I have.

Do you recall which problem you had with SP3? To use MSP 7 in it's unpatched state is going to frustrate you in the end if, in fact, you do have trouble with it. One thing I remember was the problem with sound, clicking/popping noices etc. which I fixed by installing a soundcard in lieu of the onboard AC97 sound.

[Ron P.]

Hi Joey,

The problem you're having with installing SP3 is similar to installing it to version MSP7 SE. Your version is the full version and not an SE?

Ron P.

[heinz-oz]

vidoman is right, if you didn't buy MSP 7 as a stand alone or upgrade to previous version, but got it bundled with some hardware, chances are it is an SE or VE version. Most patches don't work with these. Some do, if there is no exclusion stated on the download site, but the MSP 7 SP3 definately does not, neither did SP1.

Sorry mate, if that's the case, it may be time to upgrade.

[Joey54]

Hi guys this mesage is directed to Gorf about the media source option that you have mentioned I have been trying for a while to click on the flicker reduction litlte square and I can't as it is faded I've tried changing some options to see if this flicker box can be selected but no luck.
The window looks like this:
MEDIA SOURCE OPTION

Frame type: Field order A
Flicker reduction: can't select Deinterlace : I can select
Display aspect ratio: 4.3
Strecht mode: Keep aspect ration

Now can you tell me how I can select this option (FLICKER REDUCTION)
I am begining to give up with this system I have so many problems I can't even edit a full movie in it.
Thanks gorf I appreciate your imput
Thanks again Regards Joey54

[Joey54]

Hi heinz how you mate hey you guys could be right about the version because as soon as I installed it it went down well but when I re-started my PC I could not open MSP7 so I un-installed it and after everything was ok.
As you can see I have writen to gorf about his comment I just can't see how I can select this flicker reduction option but I'm still trying.

Thanks heinz and cheers
Joey54

[Gorf]

...I have been trying for a while to click on the flicker reduction litlte square and I can't as it is faded I've tried changing some options to see if this flicker box can be selected but no luck.
The window looks like this:
MEDIA SOURCE OPTION

Frame type: Field order A
Flicker reduction: can't select Deinterlace : I can select
Display aspect ratio: 4.3
Strecht mode: Keep aspect ration

Now can you tell me how I can select this option (FLICKER REDUCTION)
I am begining to give up with this system I have so many problems I can't even edit a full movie in it.

Flicker reduction is only available with "frame based" clips, as yours are "Field order A" the deinterlace option is all that's available.

You use "filcker reduction" to remove moire effects from frame based footage - typically very thin horizontal lines that look likt they are "dancing" or flickering - especially when you move or resize a still image.

Where did your footage originally come from, and to what percentage are you trying to slow it?

[Joey54]

Hi Gorf how are you mate hey thanks for your answers I will try them tonight again , you asked me what percentage I am trying to slow down the video well I have tried 26, 28, and the last one 30 in the slow motion window and when I apply it it looks good and when I play it in the editor it plays very well but when I burn it to DVD it flickers all over I can't see any part of the picture clear.
Also you ask me what footage I am using well I recorder this video of my son skate boarding and I am trying to give it to him with slow motion video at the end like effects to finish the video and that is when the problem occurs when is already burned to DVD disk. The footage is just plane analog video Pal VHS.
Anyway thanks again and I hope I get some results just one more thing Gorf when you have sometime free would you be able to send me by email your setup in your editor so that I can do the same and also in the capture window too as I have other problems not being able to select some menues under setup and capture Menu I would appreciate it a lot .

Kind regards Joey from Australia