A couple of questions.

Mintrax · Post by **Mintrax** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:49 am

I am trialling VS10 and have a few probs that I hope someone can help me with.

I am working with split audio all the time.

1. When I wish to cut the middle out of a clip the clip moves up to fill the gap. I want the gap to stay there and fill it later or fill it with black. How can I achieve that.

2. I just added a clip which has a transition at the head and i wanted to trim the clip at the other end. It keeps telling me that if I do this it will delete the transition. Why?

Any help more than appreciated.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:10 am

Hi

I cannot understand why you are working with split audio. You may encounter out of sync’ problems. There must be an explanation.

When removing a clip from the main timeline all remaining clips move left to close the gap this is normal.

You can add a colour clip from the library to replace the clip, if that’s your intention.
Make the colour clip the same duration as the video clip.
You could add the colour clip to the overlay track to cover the main video without removing the clip.

There is a Ripple option you can use to link the remaining tracks to the video timeline. This option can be useful.

It is normal for the transition to be removed when you delete or change the duration of a clip.

Trevor

Post by **Ron P.** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:32 am

Mintrax wrote: 2. I just added a clip which has a transition at the head and i wanted to trim the clip at the other end. It keeps telling me that if I do this it will delete the transition. Why?

Any help more than appreciated.

Why it removes the transition when you trim the part of the clip that has the transistion attached to it, is because the transition is an effect that uses parts of the adjacent clips. Transitions do not have their own time, it is borrowed from the clips. For example if you insert a transition that has a time value of 2 seconds, it borrows 1 second from each clip it is inserted between. So those clips duration will be shortend by 1 second. If you trim the clip it has to remove the transition because you essentially removed the part it was using. Clear as mud isn't it...

Ron P.

Mintrax · Post by **Mintrax** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:35 am

Hi Trevor,

My experience (a long time ago) has been with professional programs like Final Cut Pro.

In this case I have a 3 min speech, so I would tackle it by dropping in the whole speech, separating the audio, making gaps in the vision and dropping in cutaways to the gaps. This is a fairly standard approach for something like a speech, which clearly doesn't work in VS.

It would seem that every shot has to be finalised and dropped in in order for VS to function correctly or am I losing my way?

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:39 am

Hi

Just another observation.

You can trim the clip by dragging the yellow trim bar keeping the transition, but when you cut the clip the transition is removed.

Trevor

Mintrax · Post by **Mintrax** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:51 am

Hi Ron,

I am still confused about the transition concept. eg. I have a 10 sec shot at the end of a project. At the beginning of the shot I have a 1 sec crossfade, and I want to trim 2secs off the other end. This should have absolutely no effect on the transition or anything else to do with the front end of the clip.

no?

TDK1044 · Post by **TDK1044** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 12:18 pm

You're correct. Several ways to do that. I would play the last clip of your project in storyboard mode and select the new out and mark it. This will have no effect on the crossfade at the start of your clip. Regarding your overall point, I would make a frame accurate audio recording of your 3 minute project and drop this new audio recording onto one of the audio tracks. Then keep both the video file audio track and the new audio track faded up so that you can find the sync. Then as you find the sync each time, mute the audio on the video file and insert the new section of your video file and look for the sync on it. At the end of your project, you'll have a group of muted video files and your audio will be in sync.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:23 pm

Mintrax wrote:In this case I have a 3 min speech, so I would tackle it by dropping in the whole speech, separating the audio, making gaps in the vision and dropping in cutaways to the gaps.

If I'm understanding you correctly you just want to cut away to something else while the person is speaking. Easy! Just load your clip onto the main video track, including the audio. Now just add your cutaways to the overlay track. You don't have to cut out any of the main track. The overlay track just, um, overlays on top of the main track. Therefore, everything stays in sync because you are not cutting or trimming anything.

TDK1044 · Post by **TDK1044** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:28 pm

Hey, Jeff, I've never used the Overlay tracks. Can you mark an in and an out point once a video clip is placed there?

TDK1044 · Post by **TDK1044** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:37 pm

If it's possible to mark an in edit point and an out edit point and use a standard video file on the overlay track then this would be the simplest way to do it...pre supposing that all your cutaways are cuts and not crossfades or other transitions. If you're looking to crossfade, this would not be the way to go.

Mintrax · Post by **Mintrax** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:38 pm

Thanks TDK and Jeff.

Jeff, I thought you had me sorted out there with a simple way to do it, but I want some dissolves (crossfades) there as well. Any ideas?

Michael

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:49 pm

Jeff, I thought you had me sorted out there with a simple way to do it, but I want some dissolves (crossfades) there as well. Any ideas?

The overlay tracks do allow you to fade in/out.

Hey, Jeff, I've never used the Overlay tracks. Can you mark an in and an out point once a video clip is placed there?

It appears that you cannot trim the clip once it is in an overlay track. Not a big deal, though. Just trim it to the length you need before putting it in the overlay.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:01 pm

Hi Black Lab

You cannot cut a clip once in the overlay track but you can alter its duration, which is about the same thing.

1 / Highlight the clip and change the duration on the digital clock.
OR
2 / Highlight the clip and drag one of the yellow trim bars inwards.

Hi Michael

Use the scissors to cut the unwanted video.

Make a note of the duration of the clip, (Digital clock in the edit tab.)

Add a colour clip (Drag and Drop) adjacent to the unwanted clip, change its duration to match the unwanted video.

Delete the unwanted video.
Your project will be the same length.

Add a cross fade from the effects library F/X. Alter the duration the length you need.
The transition effect will reduce the length of the project as it tends to overlay the video to produce the effect.

Trevor

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:54 pm

I had not tried that. I was trying to use the Mark In/Out. Strange that it works with the Trim Handles. As you said, in essence it is the same thing.

Mintrax · Post by **Mintrax** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:31 pm

Thanks to all for the advice re: my questions. I will have to read up on the Overlay Manager no doubt.

Trevor...I have been doing exactly as you suggest re: filling the gaps with color. I just thought maybe there was something like (press Ctrl key and the gap will remain instead of closing up). The current process of filling with color is a little tedious but it gets the job done.

Michael

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