I'm trying to copy VHS tape to DVD. I bought a WinFast TV2000 XP Expert WDM card. Using a Super VHS VCR I capture my tape into MPEG2 file. I can use the WinFast PVR that came with the card, the OEM version of Video Studio SE 7 that came with the card also or I have also an EOM copy of Cyberlink PowerDirector express 3 that came with my DVD burner. The capture work fine, I always goes for the best quality and the resulting MPEG2 file have no problem.
Now my problem is the resulting DVD that I create with Movie Factory. I had the OEM copy of version 2 that came with my card. I bought Version 3 and install all the update available.
The sound is shifting as the video go along. At the beginning everything seem ok, but as you go along the sound is lagging from the video. On a 2 hres. video, after an hour the sound is shifted by 1 or 2 seconds. Near the end, the shift can be as much 3 to 4 second.
I try the Normalize Audio Option, didn't help. I try the treat audio as non-DVD compliant, didn't help either.
What I haven't try is format other than MPEG2. Should I ?
Any idea ?
I will appreciate any help. Have a good day.
Problem with the resulting DVD
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thecoalman
Is the capture out of sync? Or does it show up just after you burn the disc?
You can give AVI a try. See this guide, it's for a ATI card but explains how to use and set up the huffy codec for capture. The huffy codec has a godd quality/compression ratio. Just apply the huffy codec settings to your own capture software. http://www.digitalfaq.com/capture/atiavi/atiavi.htm
Generally the best softwar to use to capture is the one that came with capture card. Make sure your using the latest drivers and software. http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/support/d ... t%20DV2000
You can give AVI a try. See this guide, it's for a ATI card but explains how to use and set up the huffy codec for capture. The huffy codec has a godd quality/compression ratio. Just apply the huffy codec settings to your own capture software. http://www.digitalfaq.com/capture/atiavi/atiavi.htm
Generally the best softwar to use to capture is the one that came with capture card. Make sure your using the latest drivers and software. http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/support/d ... t%20DV2000
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Captain555
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thecoalman
AVI is just a generic term, if you use the huffy codec it would really be huufy video. The AVI is just the extension. If it solves your sync problems which it might not I'd be interested to know your results.Captain555 wrote:
I will take a good lok at this AVI stuff.
You don't have to use the Huffy codec but that is what most use because of the high quality and high compression. Even selecting uncompressed AVI is fine but the files will be huge.
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maddrummer3301
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It sounds like your experiencing a difference between 2 formats:
29.97 Drop-Frame and 29.97 Non-Drop Frame
In your recording software do you have a choice between the 2 formats?
If so write down what it is and choose the other for the next recording.
NTSC should be 29.97 Drop-Frame.
If you activate the "Advanced Settings" in MF3 you will see it defaults
to Non-Drop Frame. Why? you got me.
If you record drop frame then you render drop frame.
If you record non-drop frame then you render non-drop frame.
If in the recording software you have a choice of Mpeg2 or dvd-mpg2
always choose dvd-mpg2.
The Mpeg2 spec has many different settings and the dvd-mpeg2 spec
has the stricter settings for compliancy with dvd's.
MD
29.97 Drop-Frame and 29.97 Non-Drop Frame
In your recording software do you have a choice between the 2 formats?
If so write down what it is and choose the other for the next recording.
NTSC should be 29.97 Drop-Frame.
If you activate the "Advanced Settings" in MF3 you will see it defaults
to Non-Drop Frame. Why? you got me.
If you record drop frame then you render drop frame.
If you record non-drop frame then you render non-drop frame.
If in the recording software you have a choice of Mpeg2 or dvd-mpg2
always choose dvd-mpg2.
The Mpeg2 spec has many different settings and the dvd-mpeg2 spec
has the stricter settings for compliancy with dvd's.
MD
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Captain555
Well Thecoalman, you did point me in the right direction. I still haven't solve my problem but I fell I'm getting somewhere. I've been reading for the last 24 hres. Man, did I learn a few things. One thing I really do know now, I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea there was so much to know.
Many things seem to be happening here. First, I think I didn't buy a very good card. Many users are praising the card for the quality of the video but many are complaining about the same problem then me. The main problem seem to come from the fact that the card doesn't direct the sound with the video. The card has an output that need to be connected to the CDIN or AUX on the sound card. The 2 are mix during capture. Which, from what I understand now, could accentuate a drop-frame problem.
I do have a drop frame problem. I found somewhere somebody recommending a tools called PVAStrumento. The tools didn't do the job for me, the resulting MPEG had choppy sound. But looking at the log it was obvious that my MPEG was full of drop frame.
Which brought me to the "How to avoid dropped frames" on DigitalFAQ. I do have more than one PC and my multimedia one is a biggie. P4 3.0G, 2G of ram and all my hd are sata/150. But I went ahead and stopped all the background activity and lock the network traffic. We'll see if that make a difference. Capturing right now with VideoStudio 7 SE using the standard DVD-MPEG2 format like maddrummer is suggesting.
Also, what might or might not be a problem, I'm using the on-board sound. Some say it's can be a problem because of the poor quality on on-board sound. I didn't buy a card because I tought, of all thing, that the 5.1 sound on a $300 motherboard would be good enough. If everything else fail, I might have to try a good sound card.
Anyway there 20 more things I'd like to say and tons more I want to try but I don't want to write a novel.
Any more comment will be welcome and I'll keep you guys posted.
Many things seem to be happening here. First, I think I didn't buy a very good card. Many users are praising the card for the quality of the video but many are complaining about the same problem then me. The main problem seem to come from the fact that the card doesn't direct the sound with the video. The card has an output that need to be connected to the CDIN or AUX on the sound card. The 2 are mix during capture. Which, from what I understand now, could accentuate a drop-frame problem.
I do have a drop frame problem. I found somewhere somebody recommending a tools called PVAStrumento. The tools didn't do the job for me, the resulting MPEG had choppy sound. But looking at the log it was obvious that my MPEG was full of drop frame.
Which brought me to the "How to avoid dropped frames" on DigitalFAQ. I do have more than one PC and my multimedia one is a biggie. P4 3.0G, 2G of ram and all my hd are sata/150. But I went ahead and stopped all the background activity and lock the network traffic. We'll see if that make a difference. Capturing right now with VideoStudio 7 SE using the standard DVD-MPEG2 format like maddrummer is suggesting.
Also, what might or might not be a problem, I'm using the on-board sound. Some say it's can be a problem because of the poor quality on on-board sound. I didn't buy a card because I tought, of all thing, that the 5.1 sound on a $300 motherboard would be good enough. If everything else fail, I might have to try a good sound card.
Anyway there 20 more things I'd like to say and tons more I want to try but I don't want to write a novel.
Any more comment will be welcome and I'll keep you guys posted.
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thecoalman
Are you capturing to the OS drive? If so have you defragged it?
Here's another site to check out www.videohelp.com
Here's another site to check out www.videohelp.com
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Captain555
No, I have a separate 80 Gig sata/150 just for that. It was meet to be my media drive, had 3 gig of mp3 on it. Just move them and reformat the drive.
Now I'm going for the big test tomorrow. Earlier I did one capture, stop it after an hour, was anxious to see. Then I created my DVD with Movie Factory and there was no sign that the sound was out of sync. Look promising.
Now that I understand the process it make so much sense. I was starting my capture and the first thing I was doing was starting good old Webshots screensaver that was loading a 1600x1200 pixels picture every 10 seconds. No wonder.
I did ended up on videohelp, there a few reference to it on DigitalFAQ. Both are great site.
Now I'm going for the big test tomorrow. Earlier I did one capture, stop it after an hour, was anxious to see. Then I created my DVD with Movie Factory and there was no sign that the sound was out of sync. Look promising.
Now that I understand the process it make so much sense. I was starting my capture and the first thing I was doing was starting good old Webshots screensaver that was loading a 1600x1200 pixels picture every 10 seconds. No wonder.
I did ended up on videohelp, there a few reference to it on DigitalFAQ. Both are great site.
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Captain555
Just in case somebody care. I finally find a way to do my VHS production to DVD.
The last 2 weeks I've tried everything I could think of. No matter how good my MPEG2 capture were, I could never produce a DVD where the sound was in sync. I tried everything, I'm telling you. I was just about to go buy another piece of hardware (USB or Firewire). But I decided to try a different software first.
I bought PowerProducer from Cyberlink. The capture part is very basic and there is no big edit function in it, but it does the work. No more out-of-synch sound.
I'm not sure I understand why. If someone can explain it to me I'll give him a cigar.
The last 2 weeks I've tried everything I could think of. No matter how good my MPEG2 capture were, I could never produce a DVD where the sound was in sync. I tried everything, I'm telling you. I was just about to go buy another piece of hardware (USB or Firewire). But I decided to try a different software first.
I bought PowerProducer from Cyberlink. The capture part is very basic and there is no big edit function in it, but it does the work. No more out-of-synch sound.
I'm not sure I understand why. If someone can explain it to me I'll give him a cigar.
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maddrummer3301
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Your captured Mpg2 files are NOT compliant that you are recording in the
other software programs. MF3 is re-rendering the files. Everytime you
goto create a dvd it probably sits a long-time converting the files before
burning correct?
If the files are true compliant then MF3 will immediately say
"Multiplexing etc" or creating menu's and start creating the dvd structure.
If you are editing the files (trimming/merging) then MF3 will re-render the
files. That takes a while to re-render the files.
VS8 and MF3 have an audio/sync bug in them. Doesn't always show up.
Depends on how the Mpg2 file was edited or merged.
They need to fix this problem.
The best way to use MF3 right now is to import your video files making sure
they are compliant files. Create a menu and burn.
MF3 does make nice slideshows.
I think Ulead is taking awhile to fix this problem because they don't want
one program affecting another ulead product. Otherwise not sure.
It truly doesn't make it easy for a person to learn video and creating dvd's
when the software has a computer bug.
If your time is worth money buy a dvd recorder.
They will always work.
The panasonic units are really nice.
MD
other software programs. MF3 is re-rendering the files. Everytime you
goto create a dvd it probably sits a long-time converting the files before
burning correct?
If the files are true compliant then MF3 will immediately say
"Multiplexing etc" or creating menu's and start creating the dvd structure.
If you are editing the files (trimming/merging) then MF3 will re-render the
files. That takes a while to re-render the files.
VS8 and MF3 have an audio/sync bug in them. Doesn't always show up.
Depends on how the Mpg2 file was edited or merged.
They need to fix this problem.
The best way to use MF3 right now is to import your video files making sure
they are compliant files. Create a menu and burn.
MF3 does make nice slideshows.
I think Ulead is taking awhile to fix this problem because they don't want
one program affecting another ulead product. Otherwise not sure.
It truly doesn't make it easy for a person to learn video and creating dvd's
when the software has a computer bug.
If your time is worth money buy a dvd recorder.
They will always work.
The panasonic units are really nice.
MD
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katralic
dropped frames
ive noticed before if you have a high number of dropped frames during capture it will throw your audio out of sync too. The higher the dropped frames the farther the audio is out of sync.
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Captain555
I resolved my drop frame problem early by dedicating my pc to only the capture and that's it. I would lock the firewal so I would have no network traffic, I would unload the anti-spyware, the anti-virus and the screen saver. Then running the MPEG2 file thru an utility it didn't find any drop frame, where as before it would.
I try doing everything using MF3 only, i.e. doing the capture using the capture feature in MF3 and capturing at the right size and in DVD format so the software wouldn't have to do a compres or a convertion at production time and still the sound was out of sync.
So the bug is more than likely. If like you said, it doesn't always show up than it might have to do with the combination hardware/software. Another software that will end up in the bit bucket.
You know one thing I haven't try is going back to MF 2.5 SE that came with the capture card. Hummm ....
Anyway PowerProducer does the job so I'm set
I try doing everything using MF3 only, i.e. doing the capture using the capture feature in MF3 and capturing at the right size and in DVD format so the software wouldn't have to do a compres or a convertion at production time and still the sound was out of sync.
So the bug is more than likely. If like you said, it doesn't always show up than it might have to do with the combination hardware/software. Another software that will end up in the bit bucket.
You know one thing I haven't try is going back to MF 2.5 SE that came with the capture card. Hummm ....
Anyway PowerProducer does the job so I'm set