Still Problems with Smart Compositor

Video_guy · Post by **Video_guy** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:31 am

I have just spent all morning making a title sequence for a DVD I am producing for a boat company. I used 'MO1_A' from the music video section in smart compositor as a base to work from and after 3 hours work I got it looking how I wanted.

I then inserted it onto the timeline and hey presto everything was all over the place, I have mentioned this problem in a previouse post but as yet have not herd anything as to wether or not Ulead are looking into this, I was under the impresion that this was one of the issues that was going to be addresed in service pack one.

Are Ulead working on a smart compositor service pack??????

I don't want to work in NTSC and then convert to PAL as mentioned in an earlier post, I just want to do what it says on the tin and create "Openings that Rock" ......!!!!!!

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:02 am

Try opening the SC you want, as is, opening its sub-timelines and doing your substitutions there. Does that work?

Video_guy · Post by **Video_guy** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:15 am

Hi Devil

I did just that, I impoted the file straight onto the timeline as is. The first thing that happens is the Title text is a different size and in the wrong place, The moving paths have changed and basicly the whole thing does not look as good as it does within smart compositor.

I'm not sure were the problem lies as not all of the templates have this problem, some work fine and others don't. I admit it is easier to import the SC straight onto the time line and make all the changes there and not do them within SC and have to re-do everything once there placed on the timeline.

It's just another little niggle that i think really needs to be looked at, after all this is a really great utillity and has saved me loads of man hours creating great opening sequences etc., but just wish it it could be sorted out.

Chris.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:31 am

I won't be at home for a week, so have no means of checking this out. However, I did work a lot with SC during beta trials and saw no problems as you describe. And it works in PAL for me, although I've remonstrated that there should be specific PAL templates.

Between thee and me, I think SC is over-rated. I find it just as easy and almost as quick to create an ad hoc composition using half-a-dozen sub-timelines, than fiddling with substitutions. However that's just me.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:53 am

Bill.
If you've installed MSP8 to the default file locations.
Open MediaStudio Editor.

Then open the following project file:
C:\Program Files\Ulead Systems\Ulead MediaStudio Pro 8.0\uct_plug\0014AB5861C1109BB519A4E7ED11AFDA\0014AB5861C1109BB519A4E7ED11AFDA.dvp

Let me know how you get on

Oh by the way you will get the re-linking error messages I have previously mentioned that no one has taken notice of.
The first one =D:\WORKING\CONTENT\MSP-X\FULL\M01_A\M01_BG.BMP

Video_guy · Post by **Video_guy** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:38 am

Hi Steve

Are you sure that reply was for me...??????

Chris.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:51 am

Chris,
Yes sorry. I was getting you mixed up with Tv_News_Guy
Another grey hair day I think.

If you read this post my reply will make sense
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13865

When I get the chance I will have to delve into this one a bit deeper
I was surprised to see the relinking message on this occaision.

There is a fault in the designer tool affecting some but not all home made compositions. Answering your post has just pointed me a bit closer to where I think the problem lies. Haven't got time to check right now as I have to get ready for work.

klowther · Post by **klowther** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:33 am

video_guy: I impoted the file straight onto the timeline as is. The first thing that happens is the Title text is a different size and in the wrong place, The moving paths have changed and basicly the whole thing does not look as good as it does within smart compositor.

I've seen similar behaviour when using SC. At one time, I had narrowed it down to the use of non-square pixel rendering. If your project uses non-square pixels, try turning it off and inserting the SC template into the timeline just to see if this corrects your titles and moving paths.

Hope that helps.

- Ken

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:44 am

Ken
I haven't got time to check, just eaten my dinner and now about to get changed and off to work.

The compositions you created - did they include anything such as overlays, filters or anything from a seperate sub-directory on your computer.

I suspect that the design tool isn't "sucking them in" and if so I suspect a possible cure is to create the exe file with the design tool as normal but then to share with the exe file a zip file containing the extra bits - the overlays, filters etc (with the correct path information)

Got to go now, or I'll be late for work. I'll monitor any replies from there.

klowther · Post by **klowther** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:15 pm

Steve,

The composition that I did contained non-ulead supplied files that were in the same directory from which the SC template was created. SCD includes them ok in the exe (at least, I can see them in the template directory after it is installed in msp). Its just that the .dvp in the template directory doesn't refer to them, rather it still points to the files in their original location.

- Ken

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:20 pm

Thanks Ken that confirms what I had already passed onto Ulead.
They have yet to respond. I think though we have found our workround.

Don Smith · Post by **Don Smith** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:52 pm

I have just experienced a SC problem myself. I used a Documentary (DO_01B) where I instered 3 small AVI files from a "talking head" presentation and 3 titles, and changed the music. Very easy to do and it looks great, except.....when played back on a TV, parts of the 3 little AVI clips look a bit distorted. Don't know what that's about, but not happy with it.

bubbawhite · Post by **bubbawhite** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:47 pm

What do you think would cause that? Steve, yours are working fine. The one you call Circles works (I installed it according to your instructions). Ones I have created work, But the originals are gone. This happened after I installed the Beta service pack. I was hoping the new service pack would fix the problem. It did not.

To get them back will I have to uninstall and reinstall MSP8 and the service pack?

Thanks for any ideas.

Don Smith · Post by **Don Smith** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:01 pm

My problem, noted above, actually just relates to the Picture in Pictures in the SC. This is almost exactly what was described in the Post below titled "Picture in Picture Quality Issues". When I get a chance, I'll try the potential solutions offered in that post. So, my problem may not really be SC related, but more a PIP issue. All the other aspects of SC work great, just a crappy PIP.

tv_news_guy · Post by **tv_news_guy** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:56 pm

Hey SteveJ

Don't you worry about having as you said a "Grey Hair Day". I was reading the thread... saw your answer that started with my name... and then went looking back to see if I had replied to this topic and for the life of me could not remember asking a question. I guess that "Grey Hair Day" thing is catchy.
Very Happy

And a hello to Chris... since Steve already introduced us.

Bill tv_news_guy
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Still Problems with Smart Compositor

Still Problems with Smart Compositor

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