vista beta 2

[Devil]

Now to petition for a DOS6.2 version of MSP8!

If only! (Or Linux!)

[sjj1805]

Linux - Now there's a good operating system for the price!
Written mostly by hobbyists I was very impressed with my copy of Mandrake Linux 9.0 Pity there's a few things I couldn't get to work such as my modem on my old motherboard, couldn't get the sound card to work on my current motherboard. But.... don't let that put you off. These are not insurmountable problems, just didn't have the time to get into it deep enough to sort the problems out.

The thing that really impressed me was:
Insert the First CD and it prompts you with a couple of questions such as what area of the world youre from and do you want to use the computer as a workstation, server, games machine, Office computer etc.

Now sit back, swap the CD every now and again when prompted.

Approx 30 minutes later it has formatted the Hard Drive, Installed Linux AND has also a few dozen Office applications comparable to Microsoft WORD, EXCEL in fact they even open those Microsoft files.

It has also installed a few dozen GAMES. My TV card worked with it.
There were something like half a dozen web browsers like Firefox, multiple Desktops about 4 choices of desktop interface.

The whole installation from start to finish took about 30 minutes!!

At the time the Linux system could be downloaded FREE (Legally) though I popped along to PC World and bought a set of 5 CD disks for about £35 (GBP).

The comparable cost of using Microsoft.....
Well there would be Windows itself, Then Microsoft Office, Then Various other applications - probably wouldn't have got much change from a £1,000 (GBP)

[troppo]

and as soon as they produce a linux that works right out of the box, and with great app support, I'm there!
I think the fact it is open source and mostly coded by hobbiests is it's strength and at the same time, it's weakness.
I would love to move over to linux, but I've tried 3 times, and got nothing but headaches. I suspect I'm not geeky enough.

[qdewolf]

this did not answer the original question which is did anybody get MSP8 (or any version) to work on Vista Beta 2 (please no judgment on vista and microsoft).

[sjj1805]

qdewolf
I thought my comment

From my brief look so far, I dont think it will be hitting the supermarket shelves for some several months yet.

sort of answered that. It appears, to me at least, that they have a long way to go with VISTA yet before we can start making any judgements regarding how any of our current software will or will not perform with it.

When I installed my copy, the compatibility wizard stated that PowerDVD would not work. However it did so perhaps they have already done a 'fix' for whatever they thought was wrong.

I think we need to check again when we are closer to its release date.

[osaeris]

I'm with Devil. I want a DOS version of MSP8, it would scream.

see http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... highlight=

I was forced to upgrade (kicking and screaming) to XP just to use HDV. I won't be buying the new bloated XP skin call Vista. Ever. If I'm forced into the same corner again it won't be Vista I'm buying, it'll be a new platform (Linux/Mac which ever is the most cost-effective at the time).

Steve


MSP8.1 / DVD Workshop 2.2
AMD XP3200+
1Gb 400MHz DDR
Matrox G450, GeForce 2 MX
1 x Desktar 120Gb (system)
2 x Deskstar 250Gb SATA (video)
1 x WD 200Gb USB2 (backups/iso)
Sony FX1e[/i]

[sjj1805]

The following article has appeared in "Computer Buyer" on its online newsletter http://www.computerbuyer.co.uk/?news/ne ... p?id=90112

News
[Operating systems]
Tuesday 11th July 2006
Farewell Windows 98 and ME 10:29AM
So farewell then, Windows 98 and ME. You were slow and buggy and now Microsoft has disowned you entirely... From today, Microsoft will no longer support these two operating systems or offer helpline advice.

Microsoft says that it is retiring support for these products because they are outdated and can expose customers to security risks. Instead it recommends that users should upgrade to a newer, secure operating system such as, err, Windows XP... as soon as possible.

However, many computers in homes are still running 98 and ME because the hardware is often unable to upgrade to a newer operating system. According to the Wall Street Journal, thirteen per cent of Microsoft customers, or some 70 million PCs still use these operating systems and are effectively abandoned.

Existing support documentation will remain on the Microsoft website, which will host How-to, Troubleshooting, and Configuration information but users will be on their own.

The company has also slipped in the news that as of today it will no longer be supporting Windows XP Service Pack 1 as of 10 October 2006. Microsoft says that users should upgrade to Service Pack 2 which is available for free

So Windows 98 and ME users are being forced into an upgrade, It will only be a matter of time before XP users get similar treatment.

[htchien]

Vista is still not in OS support list of MSP since Vista is still in beta stage. It would be highly recommended to use MSP on WinXP SP2 at this moment.

Now if M$ and software companies in general continue to provide support for older versions then I see no problem with the continued advance.

MS just stopped the support for Win 98 SE and WinME....

It's all about starting a new software market and making money.
And when Vista is ready it will be shipped as OEM versions already
installed on machines such as Dell's etc.
Software companies will create a new version of their software and
market the new version compatible for Vista.

History repeats itself following the MS trend.

Totally agree.

BTW, MS claims they will ship Vista OEM around this Oct. but I personally would doubt on that.

Linux - Now there's a good operating system for the price!

Actually I'm very impressed by Linux and would like to try it personally (maybe write some programs on it by personal interest). However, I cannot get Ubuntu Linux (a Linux distribution based on Debian Linux) to install properly on my notebook just because I cannot find the right driver for the audio chip (so it installed with no audio).

It's still a lot of works to do on Linux, based on my experiences. Some people told me don't treat Linux as a consumer OS because it's for hobbist and professionals, but if we don't treat it as a consumer OS, how can it be accepted by the normal people and make it strong enough to compete with Windows?

Just my thoughts.

Best regards,
H.T.

[htchien]

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[icreadence]

Linux - Now there's a good operating system for the price!

After reading you tutorial on how to strip XP down into only what is needed for MSP or other apps that could make use of a whole computer using Hardware Profiles and user accounts, I was thinking.
While we are all dual booting to make our programs works, what is the difference if we boot into Linux.
Ulead could provide a distro with MSP8 and other apps and maybe have a few less headaches for them and the users as it would all be fully integrated. Of course there is always the missing drivers issues, but.....

I really mis my Amiga (I do use WinUAE) I use the OS and computer as a project for a masters degree course and astonished the teacher and the students with it's simplicity (which since I had not studied Windows at this time, it astonished me). Now I know better.

[osaeris]

icreadence, I agree that a Linux version of MSP would be an amazing thing. I use Ubuntu 6.06 - Dapper Drake as my desktop OS. Although there are some really cool editing programs for Linux (jahshaka, cinelerra) they don't cover all the bases that an MSP8/DVDWS2 combination can. i.e. Batch capture of HDV, an easy intuitive timeline based editor. I bought Mainactor v5 for Linux and have stopped using it completely. I can't recreate the same workflow/experience as a project done in MSP8.

I don't know what sort of demand Ulead would need to undertake this work and port/re-write MSP/DVDWS for Linux but I suspect that it's not a realistic goal. The whole suite would have to be supplied as binaries for specific distros. Look at the Mainactor 5 for Linux forum for a taste of how well that works!

I wouldn't mind paying the full price for a Linux version of MSP8 but I don't think the groundswell created by necessity is present at the moment.

PS The lack of drivers issue is pretty much old news. There is much better support for hardware in Linux now than you might expect.

Steve

[JoReneA]

I'm beta testing Vista and find it is quite fast and responsive in the latest version (PreRC1). BUT...there are many applications I use that won't run on it, including MF4 and Roxio 8, and I doubt many of these companies are going to provide free service packs to allow their older software to run on Vista. Thus, upgrading to Vista would mean replacing lots of software that I am very happy with (or at least used to). And as everyone knows, the first few attempts at creating a program to run on a new OS is very dicey. There will be lots of bugs and problems. So...unless I see signs that Ulead, Roxio, and others are going to make earlier versions compatible, I can't see upgrading. The problem will be getting a new computer that still runs XP, once that os is released.

[Terry Stetler]

icreadence, I agree that a Linux version of MSP would be an amazing thing. I use Ubuntu 6.06.

Steve

Count me in on that too!! If Ulead announced Linux versions of their programs tomorrow Windows would be SO gone.....

MSPro8 running on 64 bit Ubuntu Linux & dual-core hardware would be a total scream, and I have 4 systems that would qualify

http://www.ubuntu.com/

[htchien]

It seems you guys are sold to Ubuntu.

I still have Ubuntu 6.06 installed with XP SP2 as dual boot system on my notebook (XP for daily work, Ubuntu for study). However, I'm still trying to find an audio driver to make Ubuntu to sound.

H.T.

[Devil]

Have recently tried Ubuntu 6.06 Live and it works fine, but have been totally unable to make a dual-boot installation. It appears that grub will not install on either computer that I tried. I've been told that there are problems with the ISO downloadable files (both the i386 live and the i386 alternate command line versions), so am awaiting delivery of the "official" CD-ROM.

Yes, if I had MSP8 on Linux, I would rejoice so that the high heavens would resonate with my hallelujahs.