List of Quick Command Recordable Actions? Import Object?
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dwightmccann
List of Quick Command Recordable Actions? Import Object?
I cannot find a list of the recordable Quick Commands. I was trying to record a macro to bring in an object from a library. It records without complaint but seems totally brain dead when run, giving an error message. I assume this is simply very poor programming and documentation since there is an entry in the command list. Rather than getting frustrated over and over I would like to know which actions are recordable. It would also be nice if unrecordable actions would give a warning of some sort. There appears to be no information in the Help system.
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dwightmccann
I recorded bringing a library object into an image. I did this by dragging, double clicking, via the Object menu [Insert Image Object from Library], which I think are all the ways it can be done. Each time there is an item in the task list with a check mark titled "From Library". I add a drop shadow and relocate the object. Then I run it on a new image. I get error User aborted or function error. Unable to play some commands(s). Do you want to continue? [800
970]. So, can you reproduce this error? I can.
Of course, there is no clue as to which function errored or why. No info on which commands are unable to be played! And no list of recordable functions to be found. This is really quite amateurish, don't you think?
And while I have your attention, how about this beauty: I want rename an item in a library. I right click and get dropdown. I click "Rename". I type capital C and suddenly PI is off running some command ... I supposed that capital C is a shortcut for something, but it really shouldn't be intercepting it during text typing time with no other keys hit! Can you reproduce this error? I can.
So, if you have solutions to these two issues I will be happy. If you have solutions to either one I will be less frustrated. But they really should not work this way to start with and I do not believe that they will be fixed in PI 11!
970]. So, can you reproduce this error? I can.Of course, there is no clue as to which function errored or why. No info on which commands are unable to be played! And no list of recordable functions to be found. This is really quite amateurish, don't you think?
And while I have your attention, how about this beauty: I want rename an item in a library. I right click and get dropdown. I click "Rename". I type capital C and suddenly PI is off running some command ... I supposed that capital C is a shortcut for something, but it really shouldn't be intercepting it during text typing time with no other keys hit! Can you reproduce this error? I can.
So, if you have solutions to these two issues I will be happy. If you have solutions to either one I will be less frustrated. But they really should not work this way to start with and I do not believe that they will be fixed in PI 11!
Last edited by dwightmccann on Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
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keenart
I use the Task Manager a lot to do my work.
Tonight I am working in PI10.
To find a list of editable commands for the Task feature:
Press Ctrl + F2 to bring up the Quick command Panel. Select the Tab named Task.
Select any Task in the Select all existing tasks list box.
Left click the mouse button on the Icon named Modify the selected task to bring up a dialog box.
The Editable Task dialog box will appear. Under attribute named Menu are group lists of Quick Commands.
In the large dialog pane below is an extended list for each group list of tasks when selected.
The previous is the only documentation I know of and HT would have to help you with ERROR messages. I have never had any trouble with the Task Manager or recording scripts. Like you I have been using this program before Version 3.
Tonight I am working in PI10.
To find a list of editable commands for the Task feature:
Press Ctrl + F2 to bring up the Quick command Panel. Select the Tab named Task.
Select any Task in the Select all existing tasks list box.
Left click the mouse button on the Icon named Modify the selected task to bring up a dialog box.
The Editable Task dialog box will appear. Under attribute named Menu are group lists of Quick Commands.
In the large dialog pane below is an extended list for each group list of tasks when selected.
The previous is the only documentation I know of and HT would have to help you with ERROR messages. I have never had any trouble with the Task Manager or recording scripts. Like you I have been using this program before Version 3.
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dwightmccann
So, keenart, can you automate bringing in an image object from a library?
Yes, I have used Recorded Quick Commands to do a lot of stuff. And, of course, if you only use stuff that you have discovered happens to work right then you are set, eh? But I am old and inflexible and expect things to work the way they are purported to work and to have decent error messages and to be properly documented and I tend to do new things rather than just trudge through the same ruts all the time.
Yes, I have used Recorded Quick Commands to do a lot of stuff. And, of course, if you only use stuff that you have discovered happens to work right then you are set, eh? But I am old and inflexible and expect things to work the way they are purported to work and to have decent error messages and to be properly documented and I tend to do new things rather than just trudge through the same ruts all the time.
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keenart
YEP! I click on the Icon to create a new task and then give it a name.
I create my new image, find the item I want to import from the object library, and drag and drop it in or on the image.
I stop recording and now have a new Task. All I need do is play the new Task when I need it and it will add the imported object to the new image.
At least that is the way it works with my copy of PI.
OH! I did forget to mention that a Task, will not run on an image or object that is less then True Color.
I create my new image, find the item I want to import from the object library, and drag and drop it in or on the image.
I stop recording and now have a new Task. All I need do is play the new Task when I need it and it will add the imported object to the new image.
At least that is the way it works with my copy of PI.
OH! I did forget to mention that a Task, will not run on an image or object that is less then True Color.
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dwightmccann
Aha!
So, what is different? I open an image. It is RGB 24 bit true color. It is my logo. I save it as an object in my library. I close that and open another image that is RGB 24 bit true color. I start recording. I drag in the first image object (a logo) from the library. There is a "From Library" item in the command list. I stop reocrding. I open a another image. I run the command. Nothing happens! There is no logo brought in. If I add some object oriented command like adding a drop shadow in the command list it gets an error when it runs and I now think this is because there is no selected object ... in fact, there is no object, just the base image, because the "From Library" didn't do anything.
So I try to "Edit Task" and look at the From Library item but it has no properties ... the "Properties" button is grayed out as is the "Apply custom properties" check box.
So, in the "Edit Task" menu I dropdown "Object", expand "Insert Image Object" and click "From Library" and another "From Library" item is displayed in the "Task:" list and it has no properties ... how does it think to know what object to fetch from the library?
I just did the above tests on a separate install of PI11 (Upgrade) with patch on another computer running Windows 2000 Pro. I will now go try to use an extant object that came with PI11 and will let you know if it is any different.
I'm back: it makes no difference if it is my object or a PI11 default object.
What is really a bummer is that the History panel registers all the steps and I can push/pull the slider up and down and bring in the right object, move it, add drop shadow, and it plays it into my image ... so long as I just did it myself already. Is there a way to save the History panel as an object/action?
So I try to "Edit Task" and look at the From Library item but it has no properties ... the "Properties" button is grayed out as is the "Apply custom properties" check box.
So, in the "Edit Task" menu I dropdown "Object", expand "Insert Image Object" and click "From Library" and another "From Library" item is displayed in the "Task:" list and it has no properties ... how does it think to know what object to fetch from the library?
I just did the above tests on a separate install of PI11 (Upgrade) with patch on another computer running Windows 2000 Pro. I will now go try to use an extant object that came with PI11 and will let you know if it is any different.
I'm back: it makes no difference if it is my object or a PI11 default object.
What is really a bummer is that the History panel registers all the steps and I can push/pull the slider up and down and bring in the right object, move it, add drop shadow, and it plays it into my image ... so long as I just did it myself already. Is there a way to save the History panel as an object/action?
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dwightmccann
As an exercise in hope I went back to PI10 to try to automate fetching an image object from the library but it did not work there either. I even tried creating a new library but that didn't help. I guess this is one of those permanently broken features, sigh.
Tried to see if PIRC had anything but didn't see anything and that board appears to be a come-on to get you to pay for access.
Tried to see if PIRC had anything but didn't see anything and that board appears to be a come-on to get you to pay for access.
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keenart
I have studied your method of application and find you are not crazy, and indeed I get the same results as do you, when I use the methods you use to create a Logo. The error messages are primarily meaningless and indicate the task function cannot be recorded. I will explain my method of application later. It appears that Ulead is designed in such a way that you can create a logo and drop it into the Object Library and get it back out again, but cannot use that object in a Task.
The From Library function defaults to the first Library, because there is no place to type in a location for the Object you want to include. So this does not work in this capacity. Again, it seems that the Task feature records adjustments, effects, and menu commands. It will not record any objects inserted from Library. I do understand why, but it doesn’t help you. I tried PI11, went back to PI10 and PIXL, they all treat the process the same.
Based on how I use the Task feature I assumed you were using similar methods, but your post cleared up my confusion. Here is how I create a Logo as a Task in more detail.
I turn on the Task recorder and create my Logo from scratch. I turn off the recorder and I drag the Logo over to the Object Library and give it a name. I create a new image with the new text I want to modify with the Task. I turn the Task recorder back on. I drag the Logo from the Library onto the text or objects of the new image to create a new Logo. I turn off the Task Recorder. My new task will now create a new Logo. I can add or edit this task.
The From Library function defaults to the first Library, because there is no place to type in a location for the Object you want to include. So this does not work in this capacity. Again, it seems that the Task feature records adjustments, effects, and menu commands. It will not record any objects inserted from Library. I do understand why, but it doesn’t help you. I tried PI11, went back to PI10 and PIXL, they all treat the process the same.
Based on how I use the Task feature I assumed you were using similar methods, but your post cleared up my confusion. Here is how I create a Logo as a Task in more detail.
I turn on the Task recorder and create my Logo from scratch. I turn off the recorder and I drag the Logo over to the Object Library and give it a name. I create a new image with the new text I want to modify with the Task. I turn the Task recorder back on. I drag the Logo from the Library onto the text or objects of the new image to create a new Logo. I turn off the Task Recorder. My new task will now create a new Logo. I can add or edit this task.
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From my source, the following commands will not be recorded in PI:
Tool selections, mouse events (except: object selection via mouse, click and drag object selection).
For other non-recordable commands, I do not know either, sorry.
For the capital C character in the rename issue, if you use Shift+C then it's a hotkey to set the image to be brighter. You can press the Caps Lock key to input the capital C.
Hope this helps.
H.T.
Tool selections, mouse events (except: object selection via mouse, click and drag object selection).
For other non-recordable commands, I do not know either, sorry.
For the capital C character in the rename issue, if you use Shift+C then it's a hotkey to set the image to be brighter. You can press the Caps Lock key to input the capital C.
Hope this helps.
H.T.
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dwightmccann
keenart, no I am not crazy ... I am really a very highly experienced computer programmer with many years experience on mainframes and midsize machines doing operating system programming. I am also very logical and methodical. I do have a slightly low frustration tolerance.
Eighteen months ago I turned my photography hobby into what has become an overly successful Live Entertainment Photography business. I will have my day job at UCSB for another five years while building the photography business ... although I already make more from it part time than the national average salary. And that is my problem with PI ... while I own Adobe Studio 2 I have seven years learning PI. I desperately need to be able to automate many more functions in my workflow ... being able to pull in an image object in a command task would be a huge boon to me.
I will carefully study your last response but don't think it solves my problem. If it does not I will meticulously describe what I do so that you can compare more precisely.
Thank you for your goodwill ... I know I get very testy!
Eighteen months ago I turned my photography hobby into what has become an overly successful Live Entertainment Photography business. I will have my day job at UCSB for another five years while building the photography business ... although I already make more from it part time than the national average salary. And that is my problem with PI ... while I own Adobe Studio 2 I have seven years learning PI. I desperately need to be able to automate many more functions in my workflow ... being able to pull in an image object in a command task would be a huge boon to me.
I will carefully study your last response but don't think it solves my problem. If it does not I will meticulously describe what I do so that you can compare more precisely.
Thank you for your goodwill ... I know I get very testy!
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dwightmccann
HT, thank you for the explanation of the shift-C ... it is a programming error to pick that up when entering text in a "rename" operation but at least you have provided a workaround ... thank you.
I am not clear about your explanation about the recordable tasks, so let me ask the one simple question: should I be able to record bringing in an image library object from "My Library" in a command task list? If so, should I record it using the "Object->Insert Image Object->From Library" or simply double click the library icon or drag the library icon onto the target image?
Thank you again.
I am not clear about your explanation about the recordable tasks, so let me ask the one simple question: should I be able to record bringing in an image library object from "My Library" in a command task list? If so, should I record it using the "Object->Insert Image Object->From Library" or simply double click the library icon or drag the library icon onto the target image?
Thank you again.
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keenart