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ieu · Post by **ieu** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:18 am

Hi, can anyone please shed some light on this problem?

Basicaly it's this, recently bought brand new Panasonic NV-GS17 miniDV Camcorder (no Driver or editing software CD is supplied with this model...didn't know that at time of purchase) cam itself works 10/10 but not with MF5 Trial.

I've got the cam connected via DV Firewire cable but MF5 fails to connect saying there's no driver. When I click OK in the message box the capture interface greys out and I can't proceed. Now then, the really odd thing is I've also downloaded Ulead VideoStudio10 Trial and that works great. Pinnacle10 Trial also connects fine.

MovieFactory 5 (sod's law) is the one I want to buy so I went to PCWorld and asked them about the above...needless to say both guys I spoke to had nothing to say...they literaly shrugged and said they couldn't think of anything and went back to the repair section. Unfortunately I left the store without buying MovieFactory 5.

I e-mailed Panasonic and all they said was to contact Ulead as it's an MF5 issue. I'm aware that Windows XP has a Driver database for DV connection and that's why my cam works without supplied software.

Is there anything I can set with my PC to make the Trial version work...I don't want to spend £30 and still have the problem. I'm not too bad with computers and have tried a few work arounds but nothing yet has got it going.

Thanks in advance for any pointers.
Ieu

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:34 am

Not at my video editing machine at the moment so unable to check but....
with the camcorder turned OFF start MovieFactory 5 and go to the capture tab. Ignore any nagging error messages that it cannot find any capture devices. Now turn the camcorder ON. It should now bring up a dialog box to the effect that it has now detected new capture hardware and do you want to use it.

Although written for VideoStudio I am sure it will work in the same way as shown here:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13421

Just curious why you're opting for MovieFactory rather than VideoStudio.
You can edit with VideoStudio - in other words lets pretend its old fashioned film. You can cut it up with scissors, thrown bit away and join it all back together again with transitions.

ieu · Post by **ieu** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:59 am

Just gave that a go but it still won't connect...it wants a driver and can't find it for some reason. Plan B ?

I'm brand new to any kind of editing and thought MF5 would be a good start to initialy being able to watch footage on TV via the DVD player. I recently read a magazine article on MF5 and they highly rated it...I just want to see a menu on screen with a list of (day out) films that I can click on and then watch easily in high qualitysame as when you connect cam itself to TV. Once I'm used to using it I'll be a bit more adventurous.

Just going out for the day so I can't look in again 'till this evening.
Thanks again.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:26 am

Connecting the camcorder via firewire does not require any drivers.
We know your computer can see the camcorder because you are able to do so with VideoStudio. I would therefore concluded a faulty installation.

Run the setup program again and you should find a repair option. Try that first. If it fails to work then try our uninstall procedure
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 5773#55773

maddrummer3301 · Post by **maddrummer3301** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:12 am

ieu · Post by **ieu** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:58 pm

Hi guys, thanks for taking the time on this.

Have tried Repair...no difference. Tried Uninstall and Re install...no difference. Tried MS 1394 (it was on that) then tried TI 1394...none worked. This software simply won't work!!!

I must be missing something. BTW the cam is only connected via DV cable.

Plan C ?

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maddrummer3301 · Post by **maddrummer3301** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:25 pm

philtromb · Post by **philtromb** » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:54 pm

I have the same problem as ieu - with a Panasonic NV-GS11 camcorder in my case.
With NeroVision3 I can capture video first time every time.
With XP MovieMaker2, I can usually capture OK, though I frequently get a "unspecified error" message, requiring me to go back a couple of steps in the wizard, then going forward again, sometimes having to repeat this a few times until the software seems to find the hardware.
With Ulead DVDFactory5 TBYB, I get the same message as ieu: "cannot find driver for Panasonic DV". No amount of re-trying has any effect.

I've tried the work-round steps in this thread. They make no difference. As far as I can see, DVDF5 TBYB just doesn't like Panasonic DV camcorders. Will the full product be any different, I wonder

Phil

snoops · Post by **snoops** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:19 am

This will not help you, unless someone from Ulead is reading this and may be enlightened to check what Panasonic did differently in those models. I assume it is a minor change in the 1394 initialization or inquiry, affecting only those programs that operate/read a certain way.

My assumption is based on the fact that Canopus created a patch for their video editing product to support Panasonic NV-GS and Sony A1 camcorders. Without the fix, there was no firewire device control (no capture, no record) with these models. I think that proves that Panasonic changed something, unknowingly causing problems with certain applications.

ieu · Post by **ieu** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 8:59 am

Can't say I'm happy that someone else is in the same boat but at least it shows there is a compatibility problem and not just a wrong setting on one persons set up.

My gut feeling is not to buy this software as I can't see how the boxed version can be any different. The way I see it the disc version will be exactly the same as that already downloaded.

At the moment I've given up on MF5 and am looking at the differences between VideoStudio10 and Pinnacle10 (both trials.)

BTW is it possible to e-mail Ulead about this as I've tried and have to input things like Serial No. etc...because I'm using their Trial version I can't do it !!!

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:47 am

Ulead will only give Technical support to persons have have purchased their software. This is common practice by software companies who offer try before you buy versions.

Have you tried to capture with Windows Movie maker which installs automatically with the Windows XP operating system?

This will rule out many issues such as a faulty cable, faulty camcorder etc.
If you can capture with Windows Movie Maker then I am a firm believer in why bang your head against a brick wall. You could use Windows Movie Maker to capture and then Something else to edit and yet something else to author.

Movie Making does not mean you have to stick to just one piece of software. Last year I created a DVD for charity and in the end credits I listed the software that I used to create that DVD.

This list is no reflection on the abilities of one over another, it is simply what I had available to me at the time but here is the list as shown in my end credits:

Adobe Photoshop CS
Audacity
Dimadsoft Menu Edit 3.2.1
Memo Session Recorder
Nero Burning Rom 6.3.15
Ulead DVD Workshop 2
Ulead Media Studio Pro 7.0
Ulead Photo Impact 10
Ulead Video Studio 9
Womble MPEG Movie Wizard
Windows Movie Maker 2.

All that software and for just one DVD!

ieu · Post by **ieu** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 10:34 am

Hi Steve.

Windows Movie Maker is the first software I used when first plugging in the new cam. It fired up and my first impressions were good but I couldn't burn same quality on DVD disc as that seen when plugging cam to TV.

I've had the cam a couple of weeks now and whilst I've got several films on tape I've nothing high quality on DVD...too much trying this then trying that. Now I've just got myself confused and need to start again.

I used the DV to DVD feature in VS10 and it took an age to finaly start burning 20 mins worth of tape to DVD+RW...only for my Sony DVD player in the lounge to display a "No Disc" message. Should I only use DVD R discs? Also, you mention Win MovieMaker 2 with XP. I can't see any mention that mine is version 2. My new Fujitsu PC came with Service Pack two pre-installed. Is my WMM automatically version 2 as standard and can it be upgraded to include DVD Authoring?

Sorry to come across as a pleb but I'm only as familar with all these editing terms as the last couple of weeks reading up in magazines.

Thanks all of you for your patience.
Ieu

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:34 am

To check you version of Windows Movie Maker open it and click
Help | About Windows Movie Maker.
The latest version is available here

In your situation you can use Windows Movie Maker to capture the video from your camcorder then save it as a video file on the hard drive.
You can then import that video file into MovieFactory to create your DVD.

The other good thing contained in Windows Movie Maker is the module to Make Titles or Credits. Very simple to use and you again save as a video file which can be imported into MovieFactory. In fact this method works best with VideoStudio where you can use its chroma key function to remove the background colour and have end credits nicely scrolling on top of your home made masterpiece.

ieu · Post by **ieu** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:31 pm

Thanks, it seems my version is 2.1.4

I'll try again with WMM2 and see if MF5 can do the rest.

Have you any basic recomendations for configuring WMM2 prior to capture?

Cheers
Ieu

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:11 pm

ieu wrote:I used the DV to DVD feature in VS10 and it took an age to finaly start burning 20 mins worth of tape to DVD+RW...only for my Sony DVD player in the lounge to display a "No Disc" message.

Is this what is putting you off VS10+ ? the amount of time it appears to take?
Please view:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13421

Here I try to explain that using the VideoStudio Editor to capture video from the camcorder it is in fact transfering video from the camcorder to the computer with no loss of quality in DV (AVI) format.
a 30 minute video will take 30 minutes, a 1 hour video will take 1 hour etc.
The DV file will be huge, 1 hour = 13GB and not just too large to fit on a DVD disc, its the wrong format. It is the correct format for editing but once edited has to be converted to DVD compliant MPEG2. This typically takes at least 1.5 times the length of the video and often even more. so a 1 hour edited DV file could take 2-3 hours to be converted into MPEG2.

Then you have to author the DVD which means to create DVD Menus, navigation buttons and actually create the VOB files.

The DV to DVD wizard tries to do all of this in one go and so yes it will take quite a long time, that is to be expected.

Regarding Windows Movie Maker
1. Start windows Movie Maker
2. Turn on your camcorder.
3. A message box appears asking you to specify where to save the video.
4. A second box appears asking about quality settings.
Select "Other Settings" then DV AVI (PAL) or if your in an NTSC Region I suspect you would see DV AVI (NTSC)
now just follow the screen prompts.

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