MF3 general questions. Need assistance.
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protocol_droid
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maddrummer3301
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protocol_droid,
I should have posted the above seperately. Lost track of this thread.
MF3 can do what you want without spending anymore money.
Create small short clips & simple menus to learn.
You can use the default template of high-quality to start with after getting the feel how the program works.
The Ulead site has step-by-step tutorials. Also other links within this
forum have step-by-step examples.
Search the MF3 forum on how to create a dvd folder instead of burning
a disk. This will save time and you can simply delete the test work.
I forget and you will have to check but it's probably better to use
a +rw disk like coalman said. I think a -RW takes quite awhile to erase
compared to a +RW.
MD
I should have posted the above seperately. Lost track of this thread.
MF3 can do what you want without spending anymore money.
Create small short clips & simple menus to learn.
You can use the default template of high-quality to start with after getting the feel how the program works.
The Ulead site has step-by-step tutorials. Also other links within this
forum have step-by-step examples.
Search the MF3 forum on how to create a dvd folder instead of burning
a disk. This will save time and you can simply delete the test work.
I forget and you will have to check but it's probably better to use
a +rw disk like coalman said. I think a -RW takes quite awhile to erase
compared to a +RW.
MD
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protocol_droid
Okay, just giving an update. I burned successfully a one hour project onto my dvd+rw. Looks great on regular tv and crappy on my hdtv...to be expected.
I've still got an unanswered question though. I made a quick template for encoding which has 8000kbps in dolby digital nad ntsc. SO when I capture my dv.avi file, that's fine. If I again try to add some text, and right click the clip to show edited video clip properties, it shows vdr of 7000kbps and dolby audio? Still can't figure this out. So does that mean It really is only converting with 7000kbps-audio kbps. I dont' want to drop below 7K for video for the best results.
Also, maddrummer if you're reading, how did you get 1536 kpbs for audio in your last example for 2-channel? Thanks.
I've still got an unanswered question though. I made a quick template for encoding which has 8000kbps in dolby digital nad ntsc. SO when I capture my dv.avi file, that's fine. If I again try to add some text, and right click the clip to show edited video clip properties, it shows vdr of 7000kbps and dolby audio? Still can't figure this out. So does that mean It really is only converting with 7000kbps-audio kbps. I dont' want to drop below 7K for video for the best results.
Also, maddrummer if you're reading, how did you get 1536 kpbs for audio in your last example for 2-channel? Thanks.
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maddrummer3301
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Hi,
You have just completed Video-101 thanks to Coalman & George.
The 1536kbs comes from 2 channel sound called pcm sound.
It's uncompressed (same as a CD). It's 16bit at 48khz uncompressed.
This type of sound (lpcm) is for high quality audio and is 2 channel (stereo).
Did you need the formula for that?
16bits X 48,000 = 768,000 (That is 1 channel - Mono Sound)
768,000 X 2 = 1,536,000 (2 channel Stereo)
or abbr as 1536kbs.
That type of audio takes up alot of space in the overall video/audio stream.
The space could be used for a higher video_bit_rate if one uses Dobly
or Mpeg audio, then they can use a higher video_bit_rate for better quality.
There are 3 types of audio you can use in MF3.
Lpcm - Uses up the most space. Space that can be used for better video quality.
Dolby AC-3 - A highly compressed audio format. This is the common
sound format on all commercial dvd's.
Mpeg Audio - Another compressed audio format.
Lpcm and Dolby are the most compatible for players in the US.
You said:
> Looks great on regular tv and crappy on my hdtv
How does the original camcorder video look on the HDTV?
I've found it's best to set the TV to STANDARD and display the 4:3
aspect ratio to match the source videos aspect ratio. Otherwise people
have sqeezed bodies with big butts. (oops) (: >
Take care of your DV tapes. When better recording media comes out for
HD you will be able to convert the tapes to HD. Probably the first format
will be D-VHS tape. They have it now but nothing is technically standardized.
Add-on cards for computers with hardware encoders are being engineered.
MD
You have just completed Video-101 thanks to Coalman & George.
The 1536kbs comes from 2 channel sound called pcm sound.
It's uncompressed (same as a CD). It's 16bit at 48khz uncompressed.
This type of sound (lpcm) is for high quality audio and is 2 channel (stereo).
Did you need the formula for that?
16bits X 48,000 = 768,000 (That is 1 channel - Mono Sound)
768,000 X 2 = 1,536,000 (2 channel Stereo)
or abbr as 1536kbs.
That type of audio takes up alot of space in the overall video/audio stream.
The space could be used for a higher video_bit_rate if one uses Dobly
or Mpeg audio, then they can use a higher video_bit_rate for better quality.
There are 3 types of audio you can use in MF3.
Lpcm - Uses up the most space. Space that can be used for better video quality.
Dolby AC-3 - A highly compressed audio format. This is the common
sound format on all commercial dvd's.
Mpeg Audio - Another compressed audio format.
Lpcm and Dolby are the most compatible for players in the US.
You said:
> Looks great on regular tv and crappy on my hdtv
How does the original camcorder video look on the HDTV?
I've found it's best to set the TV to STANDARD and display the 4:3
aspect ratio to match the source videos aspect ratio. Otherwise people
have sqeezed bodies with big butts. (oops) (: >
Take care of your DV tapes. When better recording media comes out for
HD you will be able to convert the tapes to HD. Probably the first format
will be D-VHS tape. They have it now but nothing is technically standardized.
Add-on cards for computers with hardware encoders are being engineered.
MD
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protocol_droid
maddrummer-
Thanks for the info. I thought you were using dolby digital at 256k and was confused with the larger number you showed. That's fine.
I do have my HDTV set to expand so as to fill in the gaps on both sides during normal television broadcasts. If i plug my camcorder directly into the TV, it doesn't look so great in this mode. If I put it onto a regular tv, it looks great. I guess I could perhaps reduce back to normal ratio with the bars and check it out.
I think there might be a problem in my capturing since I can't seem to get around this 7000kbps video data rate setting for the clip after any enhancement/editing. I just want >7000kbps after audio is subtracted from video for total data rate. No matter what I put my mpeg settings at, the properties before encoding will alway show this 7000kbps? It seems people can import clips that are >8000kbps then adjust their mpeg settings to match their imported clips, but since mine are automatically at 7000kbps, I"m stuck!!!
Anyone have any ideas on this dilemma?
Thanks for the info. I thought you were using dolby digital at 256k and was confused with the larger number you showed. That's fine.
I do have my HDTV set to expand so as to fill in the gaps on both sides during normal television broadcasts. If i plug my camcorder directly into the TV, it doesn't look so great in this mode. If I put it onto a regular tv, it looks great. I guess I could perhaps reduce back to normal ratio with the bars and check it out.
I think there might be a problem in my capturing since I can't seem to get around this 7000kbps video data rate setting for the clip after any enhancement/editing. I just want >7000kbps after audio is subtracted from video for total data rate. No matter what I put my mpeg settings at, the properties before encoding will alway show this 7000kbps? It seems people can import clips that are >8000kbps then adjust their mpeg settings to match their imported clips, but since mine are automatically at 7000kbps, I"m stuck!!!
Anyone have any ideas on this dilemma?
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maddrummer3301
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Actually, you probably won't notice a difference in the video from 7 to 8mbs.
Depends how good the source video is.
Anyway, re-record the video at a higher bit rate.
Create a template and apply that custom template as your project properties.
Video encoders are all not the same. Someone can import a video file
created on a desktop dvd recorder or another dvd encoding software
that says 9250 vbr in MF3 when actually the target bit rate is 5000.
But, whatever your settings are in MF3 then when you reload the mpg file
back into MF3 it will read the file properly.
MD
Depends how good the source video is.
Anyway, re-record the video at a higher bit rate.
Create a template and apply that custom template as your project properties.
Video encoders are all not the same. Someone can import a video file
created on a desktop dvd recorder or another dvd encoding software
that says 9250 vbr in MF3 when actually the target bit rate is 5000.
But, whatever your settings are in MF3 then when you reload the mpg file
back into MF3 it will read the file properly.
MD
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maddrummer3301
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protocol_droid
When I capture, my settings are AVI. There does not appear to be any advanced bit rate settings for this avi. It just captures as is. Under the mpeg settings for encoding there are settings I have it set to 8000kbps and dolby digital. Somehow after any editing in mf3, the properties of the clip automatically go to 7K no matter what.
Unfortunately I have already added on all of the updates.
Should I have audiosync problems because of the clip properties vbr and mpeg setting differences?
Unfortunately I have already added on all of the updates.
Should I have audiosync problems because of the clip properties vbr and mpeg setting differences?
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maddrummer3301
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No,
For MF3 you need to apply the patches.
That latest update works for dv stuff. Just don't import those
wacky divx or mp4 files.
If you re-install MF3 you will have to apply the patches for the program
to work properly.
If you burned a dvd you don't need any burner updates.
The latest MF3 update contains the files for dual-layer burning and
many other fixes. Especially in creating slideshows which you should try
because MF3 makes very nice slideshows.
When you transfer the video from the camcorder to the harddisk
there aren't any settings to use. They are already pre-defined.
If there are choices choose "DV-Type 1" and "Lower Field First".
Always make sure you have the camcorder set to record at 16bit mode
48khz. It's easier for MF3 to convert that audio. When I say that I'm meaning
when you record(shoot) the video. It does no good to change this setting on
the camcorder when connected to the computer because it's already been
written onto the tape. What's on the tape is basically COPIED to the
harddrive.
Always make sure to start the camcorder a few seconds, 5 or more into
the video if starting from the beginning of the tape. Do not start recording
from the absolute beginning of the tape.
Hit the play icon in the capture screen and as the video runs after
5 seconds and is stable then hit the record button or define a time segment
to capture. This only applies when starting from the absolute beginning
of a dv tape.
You don't need to set the "Project Properties" before recording but you
can.
Did you create a custom template yet?
Make one.
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Click on the lower left icon and select
"Disc Template Manager"
On the next popup screen make sure "DVD" is selected at the top.
Click on "New"
Give it a name such as " My_Custom_DVD 8000 Dolby 256"
Quality = 70- 80 (70 average setting) A setting of 100 takes long to render.
(The above setting sets the amount of MOTION encoding for the video)
FrameSize = 720x480
Aspect Ratio = 4:3
Disk Size = 4.7
Video_Bit_Rate = 8000 Variable or Constant
Audio = Dolby 256kbs
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To change the "Project Properties" to your custom template you just
created OR use a pre-defined template:
Click on the gear icon
Select "Change Mpeg Settings"
In the "Drop Down Box" you should see the name of the custom template
you created.
Select the custom named template you created or on the bottom you can "Customize" the project (manually make changes).
It's easier to create a pre-defined template first. Then apply that template
via the gear icon.
Hope this helps,
MD
For MF3 you need to apply the patches.
That latest update works for dv stuff. Just don't import those
wacky divx or mp4 files.
If you re-install MF3 you will have to apply the patches for the program
to work properly.
If you burned a dvd you don't need any burner updates.
The latest MF3 update contains the files for dual-layer burning and
many other fixes. Especially in creating slideshows which you should try
because MF3 makes very nice slideshows.
When you transfer the video from the camcorder to the harddisk
there aren't any settings to use. They are already pre-defined.
If there are choices choose "DV-Type 1" and "Lower Field First".
Always make sure you have the camcorder set to record at 16bit mode
48khz. It's easier for MF3 to convert that audio. When I say that I'm meaning
when you record(shoot) the video. It does no good to change this setting on
the camcorder when connected to the computer because it's already been
written onto the tape. What's on the tape is basically COPIED to the
harddrive.
Always make sure to start the camcorder a few seconds, 5 or more into
the video if starting from the beginning of the tape. Do not start recording
from the absolute beginning of the tape.
Hit the play icon in the capture screen and as the video runs after
5 seconds and is stable then hit the record button or define a time segment
to capture. This only applies when starting from the absolute beginning
of a dv tape.
You don't need to set the "Project Properties" before recording but you
can.
Did you create a custom template yet?
Make one.
***********************************************************
Click on the lower left icon and select
"Disc Template Manager"
On the next popup screen make sure "DVD" is selected at the top.
Click on "New"
Give it a name such as " My_Custom_DVD 8000 Dolby 256"
Quality = 70- 80 (70 average setting) A setting of 100 takes long to render.
(The above setting sets the amount of MOTION encoding for the video)
FrameSize = 720x480
Aspect Ratio = 4:3
Disk Size = 4.7
Video_Bit_Rate = 8000 Variable or Constant
Audio = Dolby 256kbs
**********************************************************
To change the "Project Properties" to your custom template you just
created OR use a pre-defined template:
Click on the gear icon
Select "Change Mpeg Settings"
In the "Drop Down Box" you should see the name of the custom template
you created.
Select the custom named template you created or on the bottom you can "Customize" the project (manually make changes).
It's easier to create a pre-defined template first. Then apply that template
via the gear icon.
Hope this helps,
MD
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protocol_droid
My old fashioned jvc grd30u is already set at 12bit audio. I can't even change that.
So when chosing dv type-1 (sound and video in one) that should give me slightly higher video bitrate from the start as opposed to type-2
I'll try capturing with this settings and then add some simple text and see if my properties still shows 7000kbps.
Yes I did make a template under custom mpeg settings for compression. It has all that you stated below.
I also noticed when chosing HQ(4.7gb 1hr) format for capture, I can go into advanced setting and adjust 'video and capture property settings', then advanced under this to adjust the vbr to 9500 when using mpeg audio or ~8.2k when using lpcm for audio. Under AVI format for capture, those settings aren't available, so all I have available is dv type-1 or 2. That's it.
So when chosing dv type-1 (sound and video in one) that should give me slightly higher video bitrate from the start as opposed to type-2
I'll try capturing with this settings and then add some simple text and see if my properties still shows 7000kbps.
Yes I did make a template under custom mpeg settings for compression. It has all that you stated below.
I also noticed when chosing HQ(4.7gb 1hr) format for capture, I can go into advanced setting and adjust 'video and capture property settings', then advanced under this to adjust the vbr to 9500 when using mpeg audio or ~8.2k when using lpcm for audio. Under AVI format for capture, those settings aren't available, so all I have available is dv type-1 or 2. That's it.
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maddrummer3301
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