Split By Scene Crashing Media Pro 8

azwiefel · Post by **azwiefel** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:06 pm

Any help would be great,

I am attempting to split a recording up by scene and Media pro 8.00 crashes at 37:38:09, I've defragged the drive, rebooted, shut everything except media pro down in windows, still the crash occurs at the same time stamp.

I updated to 8.1 this morning thinking that it might be a result of a bug but again... it crashed.

The systems is a HP8000 workstation with dual 3.4's and 3 gig ram in it and plenty of room on the drives.

Any suggestions where to upload images of this error.

Ray

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Tue May 23, 2006 1:26 pm

Difficult to say until you give us many more details. Are you splitting in the Capture or the Editor modules? What are your project settings? What is the type of file (codec)? What variables are you using in the splitting dialogue? What is the error message? Does it do it with all files or just one?

A few suggestions:
- how have you set up your temp files? Splitting does require lots of temp space and, if you have only your default C: drive, you may not have sufficient space
- Are you sure the file isn't corrupt at that point (e.g., a dropped field may reverse the field order or a 1 frame gap in a DV tape etc.) Often, when playing a file, it skips over a minor corruption, but operating on it may not be so easily forgiven
- I presume you are not using FAT

azwiefel · Post by **azwiefel** » Tue May 23, 2006 2:31 pm

Are you splitting in the Capture or the Editor modules?
Editor

What are your project settings?

NTSC drop frame (29.97 fps)
Video tracks: 7
MPEG files
24 bits, 1440 x 1080, 29.97 fps
Upper Field First
(MPEG-2), 16:9
Video data rate: 25000 kbps
Audio data rate: 384 kbps

What is the type of file (codec)?
MPEG

What variables are you using in the splitting dialogue?
Not sure what you mean...

What is the error message?

It states that Video Editor has encountered a problem and needs to close... a windows error message.

Does it do it with all files or just one?
Just this one from what I can see...

Is there a way to "HEAL" the captured video, or can you scan for the scenes up to that time and manually skip over that area if infact it's an issue with the tape.
I've viewed it and it does appear to skip a frame.

A few suggestions:

- how have you set up your temp files? Splitting does require lots of temp space and, if you have only your default C: drive, you may not have sufficient space
- Are you sure the file isn't corrupt at that point (e.g., a dropped field may reverse the field order or a 1 frame gap in a DV tape etc.) Often, when playing a file, it skips over a minor corruption, but operating on it may not be so easily forgiven
- I presume you are not using FAT

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Tue May 23, 2006 3:14 pm

OK, from your reply, it appears you have some form of dropped field or frame. I suggest you locate the exact spot on your timeline and cut the scene out, at least ½ s before/after the fault and then do your splitting before and after the faulty section. If it is a single field problem, you may need to reverse the field order after the break.

Better still, can you recapture the original without the glitch? If not, you could do 2 captures, one up to ½ s before the glitch, the other starting ½ s after the glitch.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Tue May 23, 2006 5:16 pm

Looks like you are capturing/editing HDV

If so, are you working with the actual files, or a proxy file

Regards,
George

azwiefel · Post by **azwiefel** » Tue May 23, 2006 5:58 pm

GeorgeW,
HOw would I tell if it is a proxy version of the footage?

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Tue May 23, 2006 6:05 pm

On your timeline, a proxy file would have a little blue icon near the beginning of the clip that looks like a cassette. Not sure if this would be the cause -- I am away from my editing machine.

Can you confirm that your source is HDV

Regards,
George

azwiefel · Post by **azwiefel** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:14 pm

It is a proxy version of the footage and it was recorded in HDV on a sony
HDR-HC3 .

andyboyd · Post by **andyboyd** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:06 pm

I have the same issue, but with DV Type 1 files, captured thru firewire by MediaStudio. Instead of immediately coming up with the time code index, there is a lot of heavy hard drive activity and MediaStudio crashes out.
In each case if I save a copy of the .avi file using MediaStudioPro, the copy WILL index correctly. But this procedure can be a pain.

I suspect the root cause is minor corruption of the source DV, as other posters have suggested. In fact I have sometimes noticed single frame audio drop-outs from my Sony PC8 in MediaStudioPro. Or maybe I should blame the tape, because it happens more often close to the of a tape.
Anyhow it is a shame that MediaStudioPro can transfer the file to PC, can play and edit it, can fix the file by resaving it, but can't cope with the fault during scene splitting!
Sounds like a bug to me.....

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:14 am

Devil wrote:OK, from your reply, it appears you have some form of dropped field or frame. I suggest you locate the exact spot on your timeline and cut the scene out, at least ½ s before/after the fault and then do your splitting before and after the faulty section.

If MSP8 is anything like the previous versions, "split by scene" isn't available if you have trimmed the clip in any way.

andyboyd · Post by **andyboyd** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:33 pm

This is true for MSP8.
However if the editted file is saved, split by scene will work again on the saved file. MSP works in strange ways.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:56 am

Sorry! Forgot to say create new files of the before and after bits

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:11 am

andyboyd wrote:I have the same issue, but with DV Type 1 files, captured thru firewire by MediaStudio. Instead of immediately coming up with the time code index, there is a lot of heavy hard drive activity and MediaStudio crashes out.

I'd say this was a corrupt DV file...

Does it still have a problem if you use "scene content" as the basis for your splits, instead of "DV timecode"?

andyboyd · Post by **andyboyd** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:49 pm

I don't get the chance to choose scene content. The disk churning starts as soon as I click on "spilt by scene".
I am sure it is triggered by some minor fault in the DV file. But what is annoying is that MSP8 will load, play, edit, re-save the file without problem. PowerDVD and MS MediaPlayer will also play it. The wonderful freeware utility DVDate will also display the time code and index the scenes without problem.....Apparently only MSP8 is excessively sensitive to the flaw.