I am trying to follow the recommended procedures

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seantshen8219

I meant the rendering time during the burning of DVD

Post by seantshen8219 »

PeterMilliken wrote:I'll leave others to comment on your list of codecs :-)

Do you have trouble with Dolby when creating a DVD? Your original post indicated the error was in capturing mpeg2 - perhaps you will be able to create a video file/DVD using Dolby?
I don't know. I have not tried. Since I had trouble with Dolby when capturing into MPEG2 file earlier, I dare not try it again.

In fact, folliwng the sticky recommendations, I am not burning DVD directly from the project. I am generating an MPEG2 file. In doing so, I am presented with two options to do audio -- MPEG audio or LPCM. Hence the question.

The question is not about rendering time during the creation of this video file. Rather, my question is, will my choice affect yet another rendering time when finally burning DVD.

I was lead to believe in earlier posts I had done, that if my vdeo file is of some property that is imcompatible with DVD, it will force Ulead to completely re-render it all over again. That was the cause of my further slow rendering time during the burning of DVD from an already-made MPEG2 file. That is the real reason I asked my question.

Since the "recommendation" is so specific, I have to be absolutely precise in what I do, it would seem, otherwise, either the software will choke, or I will be left with horrendous, double and tripple rendering processes.

Is that not true?

I took the plunge on creating the audio as LPCM already, and it is doing it as we speak (creation of MPEG file). We will find out how slow the final burning process is. I am going to bed, while leaving it running.
PeterMilliken
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Post by PeterMilliken »

I can't comment on a workflow that starts with mpeg2 capture - never having done it. What triggers a complete re-render etc is therefore outside of my knowledge - I might suggest (somebody shoot me down if I am wrong! :-)) that by capturing in mpeg2 then you might actually be opening yourself to the multiple re-render nightmare...

If you capture and do all your editing in DV/avi then you will only have the single render "hit" when you execute the step that generates the single video file (to mpeg2). The menu creation and the final step of going to DVD should be relatively painless and definitely shouldn't involve any complete re-render!

So I expect that as you sleep, the good fairy will be kind and you'll wake bright and early to a succesfully created video file. At least I hope so! :-)

Best of luck,
Peter
seantshen8219

Burn DVD from AVI Project or NOT?

Post by seantshen8219 »

PeterMilliken wrote:So I expect that as you sleep, the good fairy will be kind and you'll wake bright and early to a succesfully created video file. At least I hope so! :-)
Yes, it did. It produced a complete MPEG2 file. According to the "recommended procedure" in the sticky, I am now supposed open a new project and drop this file in, and then start doing the good stuff like creating menus and chapters, and burning DVDs.

According to the Sticky, this is what I need to do.

I agree with your earlier comment, I do not see why I need to do this phase. I should be directly doing video editing, all video editing, in AVI and then burn it into DVD. Well, NOT ACCORDING TO THE STICKY.

One thing I kind of agree is that, if this MPEG2 file is DVD ready, then I will save time in coming back to produce more DVDs. Otherwise, everytime I want to burn a new DVD, I need to render, which is time consuming.

Then again, I was looking for the option of "smart rendering" during the burning phase. I could not find it!!!!

All this does not add up.

I will report back, this evening, how how successful I am burning DVDs.

Thanks for the help.

Sean
Trevor Andrew

Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Sean

If you intend to capture and edit to Mpeg 2, from the capture screen select DVD as the capture format.
This will use a standard template compatible for a Dvd.

If you select Mpeg then you will get a template suitable for PC/web playback. (this is not what you want)

Select DVD as the capture format will capture to settings suitable for one hour of capture.
If you have a longer video then the bit-rate should be changed to match, allowing you to capture 4.3 Gb that will fit to disc. i.e. use 6000 for a 90 minute video.

Assuming that your capture properties, project edit properties and burn properties are the same then any rendering will be relatively quick.

Have a read at My Mpeg Rendering Times.
Two tests compare the times when rendering the bit rate from 8000 to 6000. then 6000 to 6000.

Then read
Quick Guide for Avi and Mpeg.

http://uk.geocities.com/trevor.andrew@b ... vs/all.htm


Smart Render can be found from Share Create Video File ‘Options’
Once you have created a video file then no further rendering should be necessary

Hope this Helps

Trevor
jchunter

Post by jchunter »

Sean,
If you don't have the DVacm.acm ulead codec, I doubt that you will be able to capture any format. Your VS installation seems to be corrupt. This could explain the multitude of problems that you have been having.

Before you attempt anything else, you have to make sure the Video Studio is installed correctly. As much as I deplore the all-too-frequent advise to reinstall Video Studio, in your case that seems to be the right first step. Be sure to manually delete all traces of Video Studio - especially in the \Documents and Settings\<username & all users>\Application Data\Ulead Systems\Ulead Video Studio\10.0.

You have to focus on one problem at a time. Do not concern yourself with burning DVD until you can capture correctly.
seantshen8219

Install properly?

Post by seantshen8219 »

jchunter wrote:Sean,
If you don't have the DVacm.acm ulead codec, I doubt that you will be able to capture any format. Your VS installation seems to be corrupt. This could explain the multitude of problems that you have been having.

Before you attempt anything else, you have to make sure the Video Studio is installed correctly. As much as I deplore the all-too-frequent advise to reinstall Video Studio, in your case that seems to be the right first step. Be sure to manually delete all traces of Video Studio - especially in the \Documents and Settings\<username & all users>\Application Data\Ulead Systems\Ulead Video Studio\10.0.

You have to focus on one problem at a time. Do not concern yourself with burning DVD until you can capture correctly.
Oh, that is a new one.
But before I uninstall, how do you explain that I have indeed captured the AVI files and MEG files? To me, except Dolby, I am able to capture the whole video.
jchunter

Post by jchunter »

Sean,
I do not intend to explain the huge number of problems you have been having. My experience has been completely different. Something serious is wrong either in your computer or your installation.

It seems to me that either these codecs were not installed or something else removed them. If the latter, perhaps something else was removed.

If you are not getting the right answers from the user community, feel free to contact Ulead Tech support for assistance.
seantshen8219

Thanks!!! from a frustrated VS user

Post by seantshen8219 »

jchunter wrote:Sean,
I do not intend to explain the huge number of problems you have been having. My experience has been completely different. Something serious is wrong either in your computer or your installation.

It seems to me that either these codecs were not installed or something else removed them. If the latter, perhaps something else was removed.

If you are not getting the right answers from the user community, feel free to contact Ulead Tech support for assistance.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally I got somebody that appreciates the "HUGE" number of problems I have been having. As you can see from this thread and the earlier thread, the magnitude of the problems I have encoutnered is definitely beyond reason.

Well, BTW, one thing that gives me some level of confidence in my installation (or that it is not my VS 9), is that I had similar frustrations back when I was in VS8 SE version. And I believe I did reinstall and the problem was not going away.

We shall see....I so far have created the video file in MPEG2 format. The next is to put it into a new "burning" project and have it burned on DVD. What does not help is that my buffer hardisk and my DVD burnner, are both USB external units. And my 500M RAM is not exactly the greatest I could have. All I could say is that I had intermittent successes, so I know it can be done.

In the past I have not followed the Sticky, and therefore I was running against some of the advises, the biggest of which is to create an MPEG2 file first. Now I am doing just that.

I will report back on my progress tonight.
seantshen8219

burned my DVD

Post by seantshen8219 »

Well, finally I was able to burn the DVD.

Even the last step was not without hassle. The final burning failed at first when writing to DVD-R. Fortunately, I had also produced an ISO file. Used the utility that comes with VS and tried to burn it to a DVD-R. It failed again. Finally, I happened to have some DVD+R laying around. Used that and had the ISO successfully burned onto the DVD+R.

The whole becomes not an enjoyable experience. It is Hassle after Hassle. Tell me it is just me. You guys all enjoy it with a smooth ride.
jchunter

Post by jchunter »

Sean,
Congratulations! Video editing is not for the faint of heart... :D

I think that your next experience could be a whole lot better if you can determine what is wrong in your computer. You still have not posted your computer specs in your forum profile. Could be a simple as an out of date video card driver... After you find the problem, editing will be a lot less hassle - but still challenging.

I will be missing for the next week while I video tape my daughter's wedding in high definition. This will be a first serious (non-test) shoot for me with the Sony HDR-HC1. I just hope that this will be less stressful than your editing experience...
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Re: burned my DVD

Post by PeterMilliken »

seantshen8219 wrote:Well, finally I was able to burn the DVD.

Even the last step was not without hassle. The final burning failed at first when writing to DVD-R. Fortunately, I had also produced an ISO file. Used the utility that comes with VS and tried to burn it to a DVD-R. It failed again. Finally, I happened to have some DVD+R laying around. Used that and had the ISO successfully burned onto the DVD+R.

The whole becomes not an enjoyable experience. It is Hassle after Hassle. Tell me it is just me. You guys all enjoy it with a smooth ride.
You've had a bumpy ride on the start of the journey - it seems as though you may have learnt enough so that repetition of the journey may be a lot smoother in future e.g. hopefully a fresh install allows mpeg capture - but even if you still have issues with mpeg2 capture you can always capture in avi.

Knowledge can sometimes be the key to understanding why the ride is bumpy e.g. you mention failing to write to 2 out of 3 DVDs. Are you aware of the traps that the DVD disk manufacturers place for the unwary? Have a look at this site:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

I recently purchased 2 spindles (50 each) of TDK DVD+R - Nero Info tells me they were actually manufactured by CMC Magnetics - which is listed as 3rd class Media - I am throwing them all away after the errors that I received when attempting to burn some of them.

On Saturday, I went to a local computer fair where I knew a DVD disk wholesaler runs a stall. He had the following on sale (spindles of 50):

$30 Verbatim (I purchased previously, so I knew they were made by MCC - "1st Class Media")
$28 TDK (previously purchased and verified as CMC Magnetics - "3rd Class Media")
$28 Sony (never purchased but the table lists that Sony only ever make their own - "1st Class Media")
$25 Jan-Q

The Jan-Q I was prepared to skip over in favour of the Sony, but the seller showed me a hardcopy of this url and assured me that they were manufactured by Taiyo Yuden ("1st Class Media") - when I got home Nero Info verified this as TYGO2. So I am extremely happy at finding high quality media at a cheap price.

So the question you need to ask is: "who actually manufactured the DVD's you are using and where do they fit on this reliability table?" Perhaps the 2 failures had nothing to do with any application software or your computer system...

This is why (from "knowledge" :-)), I keep my ride smoother by ALWAYS creating an iso file and NEVER burn directly to disk. With the iso file and Nero, I can perform a verification after each burn and be reasonably assured that if the verification passed then I have a good duplicate of my video on the DVD :-)

Anyway, good luck, don't be discouraged, some people have a bumpier ride (at first) than others, but it certainly sounds like you have started to find a smoother path :-)

Peter

P.S. After re-reading this again, maybe I should add "May the force be with you!" :-)
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