Video 8mm burn to DVD

paulwho · Post by **paulwho** » Mon May 08, 2006 2:05 am

I'm having problems > I'm wanting to capture the full 90 min 8mm tape & then burn it down to a DVD without any edititing. When I capture at 5000 I then try & burn to DVD at 5000 & the burn looks like it will take about a week to finish. Should I be capturing at a lower level with this length of movie. like 3000 ? Paulwho

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GuyL · Post by **GuyL** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:26 pm

It shouldn't take that long, no.

Are you capturing via a capture card within VS?

paulwho · Post by **paulwho** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:40 pm

yes > I'm using my WinFast TV2000 XP EXPERT capture card within VS9..

GuyL · Post by **GuyL** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:53 pm

paulwho wrote:yes > I'm using my WinFast TV2000 XP EXPERT capture card within VS9..

Are your capture settings, project settings, and DVD settings all identical? Is smart render turned on?

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:01 am

paulwho
Please see:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... ght=#56707

If your capturing to MPEG and are not going to edit anything, try and capture to the intended final output to avoid any re-rendering.
Ensure you have "Smart Render" turned on.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:03 am

paulwho · Post by **paulwho** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:06 am

Thanks Guy for your replies > Yes all my settings are the same & smart render is off. Looks like it's back to the drawingboard. What settings would you recommend to capture 90 min analogue tape from camcorder through WINFAST TV Capture Card using VS9 ? I don't need to edit the footage just to burn the full 90 mins onto a DVD. Also I'm in PAL country.
Cheers Paul.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:16 am

paulwho wrote:Thanks Guy for your replies > Yes all my settings are the same & smart render is off. Looks like it's back to the drawingboard. What settings would you recommend to capture 90 min analogue tape from camcorder through WINFAST TV Capture Card using VS9 ? I don't need to edit the footage just to burn the full 90 mins onto a DVD. Also I'm in PAL country.
Cheers Paul.

Smart Render needs to be ON
As mentioned above see this post for the suggested settings:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... ght=#56707

paulwho · Post by **paulwho** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:16 am

Also thanks to Steve > for your reply. Can you take through a few steps, like settings you'ld recommed for this . I have been trying MPEG2 format but I did try AVI but after 30 mins of this 90 min capture I had a message that I didn't have enough HD space. when I looked at this 30 min AVI file it was 60 GB so I'ld need at least 180 spare GB space. I think I must have done something wrong. Cheers Paul

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:21 am

paulwho wrote:Also thanks to Steve > for your reply. Can you take through a few steps, like settings you'ld recommed for this . I have been trying MPEG2 format but I did try AVI but after 30 mins of this 90 min capture I had a message that I didn't have enough HD space. when I looked at this 30 min AVI file it was 60 GB so I'ld need at least 180 spare GB space. I think I must have done something wrong. Cheers Paul

If you intend to do any editing you should capture to AVI - MPEG files are only meant for viewing.

The amount of space you are using 60GB for 30 minutes means you are capturing to uncompressed AVI. The recommended setting is DV type 1 which occupies approx 13GB per hour.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:23 am

I have the Winfast DV2000 TV capture card, which is similar to yours, though I tend to use the software which came with it to capture video as I think it does a better job than VS. I then import it into VS for editing (which you don't intend to do).

However, the setting I use for good quality DVDs is direct capture to mpeg-2, 25 fps (I'm also in Australia), mpeg audio (which seems to be the only audio option available), and a bitrate of no more than 6000 kbps. As it is an analogue source, there is just no sense in going any higher than this. And with these settings, you should in theory be able to fit about 90 minutes on a single layer DVD. You might need to experiment with the bit rate setting and go just a little below 6000 to ensure you get your 90 minutes on the disc. Indeed, some people capture from analogue sources at around 4000 kbps and still get decent quality. With a bit rate like that, you should get around two hours per single layer DVD.

As for the Field Order, as I say, my card is similar (though not identical) to yours, and I seem to capture from the analogue source using Lower Field First, which is opposite to the usual analogue-source Field Order of Upper Field First. However, this is what the card defaults to (and changes to on screen if I set it to something else earlier), and it certainly works in the final burned DVD -- none of the usual artifacts that occur when you use the wrong Field Order. But I don't know if the same thing applies to the TV2000 card you use. Anyway, use whatever it defaults to, and as long as you don't get shearing of horizontal lines or 'jagged' edges, particularly when panning or in motion shots, then you should be OK.

A final word on the capture format. The card of course does not have a hardware encoding chip built into it, so the capture depends on your computer resources. I capture direct to mpeg-2 with no problems, and you can see my computer set-up on my profile. The card won't allow capture to DV format, however, though it will allow capture to uncompressed AVI. This will in theory give better quality, but will take up a huge space -- 65 GB per hour. So unless you have tons of free disc space, it is not really a viable alternative.

GuyL · Post by **GuyL** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:25 am

First, I would turn smart render on.

I actually do this from a Sharp 8MM camcorder through an ATI AIW Card. I usually edit so I capture in AVI but I have captured to MPEG.

My recommendation (NTSC - Not familiar with PAL) is to start a new project with project settings and capture settings set to the same. I recommend a resolution of 352 x 480, bitrate of 6000, 29.97 fps, AC3 audio, Upper Field First.

Capture your video and save to a file with the same as the project settings. Make sure smart render is on. Close the project when finished.

Open a new project and set the project settings to the same as before. Create your DVD using the same settings with do not render compliant files on and add your saved file(s) to it. Burn your disk.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:41 am

Guy -- I am interested in why you use the 'strange' frame format size...? I use the full PAL frame of 720 x 576 with no problems with my analogue capture card. And while I take the point of using Dolby audio as a capture format, unless his card is quite different to mine, that is not an option with this card.

GuyL · Post by **GuyL** » Tue May 09, 2006 10:11 am

352 x 480 is a standard resolution for MPEG2 DVD compliance and is adequate for capturing an analog source. You could capture at 720 x 480 but it doesn't yield any better results in my opinion. 8MM is about 240 lines interlaced. So capturing any higher in a "digital" equivalent doesn't produce anything better.

Here is a link to a great resource on this:

http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/cap ... source.htm

paulwho · Post by **paulwho** » Wed May 10, 2006 12:36 am

Thank you all who helped me with this problem. I didn't know about AVI / DV type 1 files were needed for burning. Have been using Mpeg capture.
Cheers... Paul