VS10 problem, fixups to VOB as MPG

rcurzon · Post by **rcurzon** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:56 pm

I purchased VS10 online.

However one of the features I bought it for does not seem to work.

The need is, to bring in a home made DVD with the sound out of sync, and resync it, and write it back to a DVD.
- the orig DVD plays seamlessly across chapter breaks
- VS8 can import chapters, however they are no longer seamless: there is a very obvious dropout at the chapter breaks.
- VS10 has identical behavior, the same dropout at chapter breaks for importing from DVD.
- vS10 seems to have a new feature, to support import of a VOB as a video file. When you point to the VOB file type, it offers to "fix up" the file for editing. Sounds like just the ticket.
- However it doesn't work. After import, VS10 thinks a 1 hour VOB is just 28 seconds long, and for editing purposes nothing works correctly.
- In VS8, I had tried simply renaming a VOB to MPEG, this seems to work no better than that that: i.e., it is not usable.

Another complaint: there is no option to see what are the components and vendors being installed in the new install (usually called custom vs default install). I always rely on that to see what's being put on my machine and why. I'm leary about questionable 3rd party software, as we all should be

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--Richard

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:16 pm

I can't help you about the VOB import; never tried this and have not yet VS10.

About extra software however, Ulead installs the following if they are not yet present:

Quicktime 7.03, SmartSound, RealPlayer 10.5, Indeo 5.2, Acrobat 7.07.
DirectX 9, FlashPlayer 7, MS Media Format.
All these are necessary for the full functioning of VS10 so there is no possible choice.

rcurzon · Post by **rcurzon** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:34 pm

Quicktime 7.03,
RealPlayer 10.5

These 2 vendors are highly suspect due to borderline spyware activity in the past.

I chose to remove them and replace them with Real Alternative and Quick Alternative.

IMO, the software needs to tell me it's installing those things.

DVDDoug · Post by **DVDDoug** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:19 pm

I don't have a solution, but all of your problems, including the A/V sync, may be caused by the same thing.... corrupt MPEG files.

If this is the case, I don't know what's causing your corrutption. (In my case it was editing MPEGs, before I got a special-purpose MPEG editor.)

All of my corrupt MPEGs played-back OK. But, sometimes I ended-up with out-of-sync DVDs, and sometimes the Ulead programs would crash or lock-up.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:25 pm

I personally refuse to have anything to do with ReadAudio (though allow Quicken, but disable it from the system tray). Interestingly enough, on installing VS10+, it did not try to install Real, and I can't find any trace of Real on my computer, which from my point of view is a good thing. In fact, I was surprised to hear that Real was part of the install package -- it certainly has not been installed in the past by my copies of VS8 and 9 (both full boxed editions).

rcurzon · Post by **rcurzon** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:51 am

Ken, I found where they are installed, it seems to be in the bonus pack. And here, you can elect not to install them in the traditional way.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:09 am

The funny thing is, though, that on installing that, it told me it was going to install Quicktime, but didn't mention Real Audio. I noted the thing about Quicktime, because I still had one of the older versions (6 point something), and hadn't installed version 7 up till now because some people had been reporting problems. But I let it install anyway...

maddrummer3301 · Post by **maddrummer3301** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:09 pm

Hi,
>>>I don't have a solution, but all of your problems, including the A/V sync, may be caused by the same thing.... corrupt MPEG files.

I also believe DVDDoug is correct.
Importing the video(s) as VOB's would be a step backwards to correct the problem. You need the original material in mpeg2 format. Saying this because i don't know what's in your VOB container. Could be more than one mpeg2 file.

What I would do to fix the dvd is use VS 10 Import DVD. Select the top selection to import the complete Movie(s)/mpeg2 files. Not the individual chapters.

Once they are imported and on the harddisk you can use VideoRedo or Womble to work with the mpeg file and correct the sync problem.

Hope this helps,

MD

rcurzon · Post by **rcurzon** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:50 pm

In case I missed something can you walk me thru that?

If you mean the Capture tab, "Import from DVD/DVD-r"... I don't see any "top choice", my three choices are left to right,

Import DVD folder
Import
Close

The Import DVD folder brings the DVD folders onto the hard drive, but does no transformation. It's faster to work with the VOB files on HD, but nothing improves about VS10 limitations... if I use the other choice, to import Video files and point to those copies of the VOB, the result is the same: file has no integrity for editing.

The Import option is the one I am using. It gives no option but to bring in by Chapter, but at least the files have enough integrity to be edited. I am stuck with the chapter gaps, but it's the best compromise I find.

VS10 will solve the sync problem, so I dont think I need the other software.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:25 pm

When you click on 'Insert DVD/DVD-VR', a dialogue box appears asking whether you want to 'Import DVD Folder' or just 'Import'. If you click the latter, then a new dialogue boc appears (after the program has 'parsed' the DVD) which in the box in the upper left side, has the DVD structure. At the top is 'Title X', with a white box beside it, and below it are the Chapters in the title, again all with white boxes. I think that what was meant is that you should choose 'Title X' by checking its white box, rather than individually selecting Chapters with the problems you have encountered. The downside, of course, is that you then have the entire DVD 'captured' and this can take time... But at least it should ensure continuity in the parts you are after.

rcurzon · Post by **rcurzon** » Tue May 02, 2006 2:45 pm

Thanks Ken, although that was one of the first things I tried and it seemed to give me chapter chunks... i.e., the top box was simply a "select all" control, did not change the mode of operation.

However, today I am as happy as the proverbial pig in sugar... I found that DVD Decrypter works very well with VS10 for the purpose.

The tool has a much shorter learning curve than I anticipated given it's cryptic GUI. By selecting IFO mode, demux to separate files, I quickly got one long m2v file, and one long ac3 file. Dropped both into the VS10 timeline, offset the audio for my sync problem, and... VS10 makes a perfect DVD corrected for the audio sync.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue May 02, 2006 9:35 pm

Excellent solution!!

rcurzon · Post by **rcurzon** » Wed May 03, 2006 2:53 am

To followup, for Ken and anybody else trying this...

I went back and retried the "top box" in that dialog, this time it appears to work well. (i.e. for reverse engineering clean video files from DVDs).

What I did before, I was testing it with small test dvds ... I thought I saw a chapter-seam dropout, but I think now it was just poor input.

With a real full-size DVD as input... VS10 gives you a single long MPG file per title... no chapter seams or VOB seams... just what I need.

Not exactly equivalent to the Decryptor method. But with features of VS10... e.g. to separate audio and video ... and to shift each separately in the timeline... the result is just as useful and just as fast. In fact, I like it better because it involves less software...

So thanks for the info, I'm starting to feel more comfortable in VS10 than VS8 now.

... it's definitely much faster for almost any operation I find.

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