MF5 - Question About Menu Background Audio

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Hi,
Going through the multimedia Directx interface their are a few ways to access the soundcards (programming). It's that darn "What U hear" Circuitry.
If you notice all the way to the right of the SB mixer is the recording slider & right-clicking on that also selects what input/port to set for recording on. Also there should be a small check-box above that slider that says "Monitor while recording". Doesn't matter what you check it at (if you have that option) because the software constantly changes it depending on the programmers. Ulead usually works very well with the SB cards so I'm sure they know what the problem is. After all MF4 does work so they must be accessing the card or setting the ports differently in MF5.

Actually the Soundblaster 16 & Live have some of the best & cleaner sounds. The later audigy cards say they can do 24 bit but their lacency is so poor audio recording apps choke waiting for the card to respond.
Playing back audio with the audigy line of cards 16 or 24 bit sound is OK. No problem, not a real problem at 16 bit sound either.
No comparision to the M-Audio line of audio equipment.

I'm rusty at the windows mapper. There are settings such as "Do not map through this device" etc in the multi-media page. Also, the wave-mapper can be chosen or chose to access the card directly. So I suspect it's windows wave-mapper routing the audio to the card and doing it's thing.

Most of my audio apps let me access what soundcard to record on and I don't have to set that up in the windows audio setup. The audio programs access the soundcards directly and you use their mixer, not windows.

If anyone wants to try a simple usb fairly good & not expensive sound device the "Creative Labs External USB 16 bit" plays back nice 16 bit audio, not 24 bit. I like to use it on the laptop and sometimes on the other machines for various reasons. Maybe for monitor the output while recording audio on the better soundcard M-Audio line.
I like it because you can throw the disk away that comes with it. Simply plug in into a usb port and go. I think it's only a 12mbs device and doesn't use much usb bandwidth. A handy device.
I wouldn't recommend the 24 bit SB usb unit. I wouldn't use that disk either. It's not as plug & play do you would need to load their drivers for the buttons to work, more drivers more problems, and try to stop from loading all their programs :(.
The cheaper 16 bit usb audio device is "Model# SB-0270". Great for on the road laptops and general playing, no drivers, plug in and use it. Very low in price.

I have had much less problems with the older SB equipment compared to their new line of products like the audigy line.

MD
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Post by ruggy1 »

Wow, this is all getting too complicated for me. I will leave my settings as they are and wait for Ulead to provide a patch for Soundblaster cards. Mr HChien you seem to have a direct channel to Ulead, how about passing this on for us? Thanks
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I bet MD already submit the problem to Ulead. :D

If not then I will help to forward the issue.

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Ya' know, as far as temporary "simple" solutions are concerned, what do you think about this...

Connect your speakers to both SB and SoundMAX using a stereo "Y" splitter cable. When you want to use MF5 simply change the system playback device setting to SoundMAX. It takes all of about half a minute and there would be no need to crawl around on the floor manually switching the speaker plug each time. Would something like that cause any ground or impedence problems?

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Mike,
That is my setup. All the outputs of my audio and video cards go into separate splitter/selection devices then out to a JVC 7.1 amp setup. Also ported out to a wireless system for wireless headsets.

You could actually have a slight problem with paralleling the outputs IF the audio amplifiers are setup in the power mode which means they can power speakers directly. You can overheat the final stage output transistors.
Yes, you can damage the circuitry if they don't have thermal protection. Going by the size of the chips on the MB I'd suggest no. Although I have accidentally had them connected without knowing it for a short while.

Otherwise, when you parallel 2 outputs it's best to a 50,000 (50k ohm) resistor between one of the outputs and the other main output.
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Mike,
This is a workaround for 2 active soundcards on a computer.
It's called the Master/Slave mode.

Select one soundcard as your main output to your stereo system. Usually the best audio card for controlling Bass/treble etc. The SB Live is a good choice with your setup.

Take a stereo mini-plug cable "Stereo mini-plug to Stereo mini-plug". Plug it from the output of the computers internal card and into the "Line-In" or Aux-in of the main card (The Live) that is driving the stereo system.

The Mixer that is in the SBLive card will combine them and you will have control over the settins etc.

I use the internal TAD input connector for things like that. Do Not use the mic input.
By plugging the Output of the Motherboards sound into any of the SB Lives inputs is safe. Their input impedance is approx 50,000 ohm (high impedance).

So, when MF does the previewing the audio can be controlled via either the line-in, aux-in or TAD in, OR even the CD input jack of the main output card which in your case would be the SB Live card.

Not to get to compllicated but if you check your Motherboards documentation I'll bet there are outputs on the MB close tot the PCI slots. You can jump from that to the SB Live card's inputs direct on the Live card.

The Line-in is the simplest method.
People that use the SB cards usually don't realize they are multi-channeled. In other words you can send many audio signals to the card even on the same channel. With the SB live card you can play sound from more than one program. So you can play a dvd and hear the sound and at the sametime play music using the some other program.
You can't do that with many other cards. Try and do that with the internal audio card on the MB. Only one program can access the wave/pcm channel at a time. The other program will lockup or wait to get access to the pcm channel.
So, the SB line of cards do have some nice features.

Hope this helps,
Get off the floor!

MD
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maddrummer3301 wrote: Get off the floor!
heh heh... it's an ugly job but ... :oops:
maddrummer3301 wrote:This is a workaround for 2 active soundcards on a computer.
It's called the Master/Slave mode.

Select one soundcard as your main output to your stereo system. Usually the best audio card for controlling Bass/treble etc. The SB Live is a good choice with your setup.

Take a stereo mini-plug cable "Stereo mini-plug to Stereo mini-plug". Plug it from the output of the computers internal card and into the "Line-In" or Aux-in of the main card (The Live) that is driving the stereo system.

The Mixer that is in the SBLive card will combine them and you will have control over the settins etc.
I'm with you on the master/slave "line out-to-line in" method but is the mobo SoundMAX actually outputting any audio if SB Live has been designated as the system playback device?

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Mike,
>>>but is the mobo SoundMAX actually outputting any audio if SB Live has been
>>>designated as the system playback device?

It's a little confusing. When you assign one of the audio devices as the device for windows to use that is only for the software programs and the windwos mixer. In other words what soundcard do you want the windows mixer to control and what soundcard for programs to use by default.
All the soundcards are active if they are installed properly, which yours are.
The soundblasters Live mixer will still control the Live card.

When you assign the SoundMax as the default device plug a portable CD player into the Live cards Line-in and using the Lives software mixer you can control the sound outputting from the Live card. The cards active and working. Windows just isn't using it as default driver for DirectX to share with programs and for the windows mixer to control.

Using the jumper I'm referring to is the same as your hardware solution except your solution was a switching box and mine is a "Mixer".
So, using the jumper is the same as going from both soundcards in the computer to a mixing board that can mix the audio signals and then send that audio to the speaker(s).

You don't have "Bass or Treble" control for the SoundMax card correct?
Use the jumper and the audio is fed through the Live card that now you can add Bass & Treble to. Also, you can add the effects in that EAX screen for reverb etc. (I don't use those effects).

The Bass & Treble only can affect the analog audio inputs. I'm pretty sure any SP/DIF or optical inputs are bypassing the analog Bass/Treble controls.

Hope this helps,

MD
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maddrummer3301 wrote:Mike, When you assign the SoundMax as the default device plug a portable CD player into the Live cards Line-in and using the Lives software mixer you can control the sound outputting from the Live card. The cards active and working. Windows just isn't using it as default driver for DirectX to share with programs and for the windows mixer to control.
That's very helpful MD. I'll experiment with it and see how it goes. Thanks for the detailed explanation :)

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Mike,

One other test is if you open up the windows mixer.
Click on "Options" -> "Properties" and at the top of the screen will be a drop-down box to change what soundcard to control.

After you close that windows mixer down and then re-open the windows mixer up again it will go back to the default soundcard.

The executable program for the windows mixer is called "sndvol32.exe"

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Hi,

Just FYI, I pulled the SB Live 7.1 and replaced it with a new SB AudigySE card. Menu background audio preview is fully functional with the new card. This is fairly recent card (mid-2005 I think) so it looks like Creative's newer drivers are compatible with MF5.

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Mike,
Thanks, that's good to know.
I have an audigy card in one of the other machines.
I didn't plan on installing MF5 on that machine.

When I installed the Audigy card in the other machine (way back) one of the purposes was it played dvd-audio dvd's. Come to find out it's an extra driver the program installs.
You may want to check out that driver loaded in the registry. Or, you may be able to disable it in the software from loading somehow.
I remember I removed it from the run statement in the registry. I did have some programs that conflicted with their driver they install to read the dvd-audio dvd's. I don't remember what audigy card it was. There's so many of them. I believe it was in the 2nd batch they came out with that can do the 24/96 recording (which it can't), only playback.

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maddrummer3301 wrote:Mike,
When I installed the Audigy card in the other machine (way back) one of the purposes was it played dvd-audio dvd's. Come to find out it's an extra driver the program installs.MD
This is Creative's new entry level $30 card, replacing the SB Live 7.1. It's not really a traditional "Audigy" in the sense that the I/O panel is stripped down to the bare essentials.

As far as I know, only the required driver is installed by default. Just install the card, reboot, insert the CD and let the HW Wizard install the driver. You can then reboot and autorun the CD to install the applications if desired. The software CD offers a custom install wherein each and every application can be manually selected or deselected. After installation, the CD can be used to selectively add or remove applications at will. The card sounds great, works perfectly with MF5 and the new software UI's are pretty slick. That said, there are two things I don't like.

1) Although the mixer includes the standard array of input channels, it DOES NOT offer the WAV channel as a recording source. It can use MIC, LINE, SPDIF and AUX but NOT WAVE. Instead, it uses "what-u-hear" for recording web stream and system audio which means you are forced to monitor the sound while recording (or manually turn the volume control down on your speakers). The OTHER recording inputs have a "Do Not Monitor While Recording" checkbox but this is not available for what-u-hear, nor can the other recording channels be assigned to alternate sources.

2) A single input on the card now handles LINE-IN and MIC so you can't have a line/aux source and a mic connected at the same time. Pretty cheesy if you ask me. For many, these shortcomings would go unnoticed but A/V fanatics (like me!) will be disappointed. I'll probably return it and see what the next upgrade (Audigy 4) has to offer.

-Mike
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