Hi,
I've been using Movie Factory SE that came with my Hauppage PVR150 for a few weeks now and all has been going pretty well until the last day or so. I'm using WinXP Pro SP2 and I do my recording with a package called GBPVR. The issue I'm having is that "some" mpegs that I am editing out the commercials with mult-trim, before burning to DVD, everything goes smoothly. However, there a some where when I start to browse through the file to trim out the commercials, MF searches very slowly and within a minute or two, the mult-trim window stops responding. It's not a filesize issue, I'm sure of that. I have several mpegs that have been recorded over the last few weeks and some I can trim and some I can't. It's strange! Any ideas?
Thanks,
yock1960
MF3 SE issue
Well... MPEGs are not supposed to be edited! 
Some people get-away with it. I had a few crashes and "lip-sync" problems almost every time. (I also have a Hauppauge card.)
Hauppauge supplies a simple special-purpose MPEG editor. If you use a special-purpose MPEG editor, you can use Movie Factory to make a DVD from the resulting file.
It is also possible that GBPVR is contributing to the problem. I don't know anything about it, so I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. But, I do know that these problems are caused by MPEG file corruption.* That corruption can come from anywhere. In my case it was caused by the editing process. All of the files I've captured with Hauppauge's WinTV2000 program are perfect.
I think Hauppauge and Ulead are both making a big mistake by not making this situation clear!
One step-up from the Hauppauge MPEG editor is VideoReDo ($50). I don't own it, but I've tried the free-trial. It has a good user-interface, and it seems like a real solid program.
If you want to do "real" MPEG editing, with crossfade transitions and all that stuff, Womble ($100 - $140) is nice. Since I started using it as an editor, my Ulead programs don't crash, and I don't get "lip-sync" problems!.
But even with a special-purpose MPEG editor like Womble, the MPEG must be decoded, and then go through another lossy MPEG encode. This means that your video will be somewhat degraded during transitions, or wherever the "real" editing is done. (That's why MPEG is a final-output format, not meant to be edited.)
FYI - Movie Factory 3 is outdated, and the SE versions are limited free versions that come with hardware. Movie Factory 5 was just released. I don't know if MF5 is any better with MPEGs... but, you might try downloadig the 30-day trial version.
*Often these corrupted files will play-back OK with Windows Media Player... So, I call it "sneaky" corruption. I finally figured-out what was going-on when I made an un-edited DVD and an edited DVD from the same (Hauppauge captured) file. The edited DVD had "lip-sync" errors.
Some people get-away with it. I had a few crashes and "lip-sync" problems almost every time. (I also have a Hauppauge card.)Hauppauge supplies a simple special-purpose MPEG editor. If you use a special-purpose MPEG editor, you can use Movie Factory to make a DVD from the resulting file.
It is also possible that GBPVR is contributing to the problem. I don't know anything about it, so I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. But, I do know that these problems are caused by MPEG file corruption.* That corruption can come from anywhere. In my case it was caused by the editing process. All of the files I've captured with Hauppauge's WinTV2000 program are perfect.
I think Hauppauge and Ulead are both making a big mistake by not making this situation clear!
One step-up from the Hauppauge MPEG editor is VideoReDo ($50). I don't own it, but I've tried the free-trial. It has a good user-interface, and it seems like a real solid program.
If you want to do "real" MPEG editing, with crossfade transitions and all that stuff, Womble ($100 - $140) is nice. Since I started using it as an editor, my Ulead programs don't crash, and I don't get "lip-sync" problems!.
But even with a special-purpose MPEG editor like Womble, the MPEG must be decoded, and then go through another lossy MPEG encode. This means that your video will be somewhat degraded during transitions, or wherever the "real" editing is done. (That's why MPEG is a final-output format, not meant to be edited.)
FYI - Movie Factory 3 is outdated, and the SE versions are limited free versions that come with hardware. Movie Factory 5 was just released. I don't know if MF5 is any better with MPEGs... but, you might try downloadig the 30-day trial version.
*Often these corrupted files will play-back OK with Windows Media Player... So, I call it "sneaky" corruption. I finally figured-out what was going-on when I made an un-edited DVD and an edited DVD from the same (Hauppauge captured) file. The edited DVD had "lip-sync" errors.
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No time to think.
It's like the whole world's
Out of... sync.[/i]
- Head Over Heels, The Go-Gos.[/size]
No time to think.
It's like the whole world's
Out of... sync.[/i]
- Head Over Heels, The Go-Gos.[/size]
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yock1960
Thanks for the info! I did not realize that mpegs aren't supposed to be edited. I guess it's just hit and miss then. I actually have the script files that do the commercial editing automatically that can be integrated with GBPVR, but I don't have that integration complete yet, plus the commercial detection is not perfect so I was doing the commercial detection manually. This process uses several freeware programs to seperate the mpeg audio and video streams and then re-encodes to mpeg.
Anyway, my a/v file education has increased a little bit. There's alot to learn for all of this.
Thanks again!
Anyway, my a/v file education has increased a little bit. There's alot to learn for all of this.
Thanks again!
If you are just cutting out commercials you are not really editing the clip, the saved file parts are strung together without any re-rendering (you have to use smart render).
That is the only thing I do with my videos (Happauge MPG files) before I wirte them to DVD, I don't use menus, transitions or other special effects, if you do you will get re-rendered video which will degrade the clips on each sucessive re-render.
Movie Factory 5 has a utility called Ad Zapper, I haven't used it much but it does work to a certian extent. Still experimenting with MF5, so far it is better than the other Ulead programs at certian things. For the price it's a bargin.
The capture module in MF5 works with the Happauge cards without additional plugins.
That is the only thing I do with my videos (Happauge MPG files) before I wirte them to DVD, I don't use menus, transitions or other special effects, if you do you will get re-rendered video which will degrade the clips on each sucessive re-render.
Movie Factory 5 has a utility called Ad Zapper, I haven't used it much but it does work to a certian extent. Still experimenting with MF5, so far it is better than the other Ulead programs at certian things. For the price it's a bargin.
The capture module in MF5 works with the Happauge cards without additional plugins.