Honest opinions on Photoimpact upgrade from 10 to 11

jolo
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Honest opinions on Photoimpact upgrade from 10 to 11

Post by jolo »

Now that Photoimpact v11 has been out for a while, I would like to ask the following question.

For those who have upgraded from v10 to v11, do you feel that v11 is worth upgrading to from 10 ?


I greatlyappreciate the sharing of your experience and knowledge.

Do the upgrqaded users find v11
  • *To be more stable? less stable?
    *Easier to use? More difficult to use?
    *Uses up more resources? Less resources?
    *Is the feature set for 11 enhaced significantly? Are those enhancements meaningful to you?
    *Any difficulty with Windows XP on the upgrade?
    *The Element 5 package install package on v10 gave me a lot of difficulty that reason alone makes me leery.
Thanks,

Jon
[b]"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003. [/b]
keenart

Post by keenart »

That is a NO-Brainer, your question is mote!!

For me, who has used Ulead since its inception many years past, there is no better product on the market. I have the entire set of previous versions of software.

I also have Corel Draw, Corel Painter, Photoshop CS2, Carrera, Vue, DAZ, Poser, Paint Shop Pro, and a dozen other Graphic Editors. And, also, almost all of those previous versions of software.

Many of my suggestions to Ulead were implemented into their software. I may have to wait a long time for Tech Support, nevertheless, they have always been there for me.

I have no more trouble with Ulead products than I do with any of the other dozen of Graphic Editors, which all have their faults.

PI11 is the best Upgrade yet, and I eagerly await a better product in PI12.

I speak from 30 years of experience, and not bias. And, when no one can solve my problems, I solve them myself. My wife says I have the patience of a snail, and the temperament of a pit bull.

JOLO: Do you work for Microsoft or are you one of ULEAD’s Software Competitors? Or, are you taking a vacation and have nothing better to do!!

This is truly not supposed to be a Chit-Chat Forum!!
jolo
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Huh

Post by jolo »

Why the heck are you so defensive.

Paranoia will destroy ya.

I hope someone reads through my question and ignores keenart's response. I want to learn as much as I can and hopefully share what I can. Ironic that I agreed with someting he posted on my last post.

My post included absolutely nothing negative.

I am sure that kennart's defensiveness, wild assumptions and abrasiveness are not typical of anything surrounding Photoimpact. The staff, the tone of this forum and especially Ulead customers. I have received great help here and know that there are a lot of great people on board, including Ulead staff.

It would a heck of a lot more positive and helpful keenart, if you send me a private message, rather than making postings of this sort.

For Photoimpact customers, please share your experiences and I hope you don't get intimidated.







keenart wrote:That is a NO-Brainer, your question is mote!!

For me, who has used Ulead since its inception many years past, there is no better product on the market. I have the entire set of previous versions of software.

I also have Corel Draw, Corel Painter, Photoshop CS2, Carrera, Vue, DAZ, Poser, Paint Shop Pro, and a dozen other Graphic Editors. And, also, almost all of those previous versions of software.

Many of my suggestions to Ulead were implemented into their software. I may have to wait a long time for Tech Support, nevertheless, they have always been there for me.

I have no more trouble with Ulead products than I do with any of the other dozen of Graphic Editors, which all have their faults.

PI11 is the best Upgrade yet, and I eagerly await a better product in PI12.

I speak from 30 years of experience, and not bias. And, when no one can solve my problems, I solve them myself. My wife says I have the patience of a snail, and the temperament of a pit bull.

JOLO: Do you work for Microsoft or are you one of ULEAD’s Software Competitors? Or, are you taking a vacation and have nothing better to do!!

This is truly not supposed to be a Chit-Chat Forum!!
[b]"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003. [/b]
heinz-oz

Post by heinz-oz »

The answer to that question entirley depends on what it is you are using PI for.

Unless you are a digital photographer, wanting the improved RAW capabilities of PI 11, the reasons for upgrading are getting slimmer.

If you do not belong to the aforementioned category and PI 10 does what you want, I don't see a reason why you should consider upgrading.

Many people have had positive experiences with 11, being more stable and all that, but other did not. It's your call.
keenart

Post by keenart »

What I have to say is always public, and does not require a private message. My response need not be a matter of secrecy as I have nothing to hide.

The best way to find out how good a product is, is in fact to use the product to its fullest extent. Soliciting the response of other users for Pro’s and Con’s does little to add to your experience or those of others. By really using the product in a real life situation, will you have the ability to impart the valuable knowledge and help to others you now say you want to provide? Additionally you will also understand how good the product really it.

There are many Reviews on the Internet we can turn to for opinions.

Other than version 3, version 11 is the best ULEAD has ever put out. As an Artist, designer, and photographer, it can do more with ULEAD than any other product on the market in its class. You really do not get it do you, that is not defensiveness, that is customer satisfaction, brand loyalty or whatever else you would like to call it.

You are right I am not interested in your opinions, poll taking, and so on. I am interested in hearing from you, useful information relevant to the Product and this Forum that can be of a help to me and others.

Thank you for your support on a previous post. I use Perfect Disc as my defrag software.

Heinz, I can't believe you said that!!! (Chuckle)
heinz-oz

Post by heinz-oz »

:shock: What did I say :? ?
jolo
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Thanks for your honesty and GREAT Reply.

Post by jolo »

heinz-oz,

Thanks for taking the time for that great reply. That is exactly the type of information I hoped to get.
Yes, v10 has "more" than the functionality I use at this point and I actually need to spend more time on some of the great support tutorials that are around to use what I have.
I am NOT a graphics artist, nor want to be one.
I do like to "play" and I like to give pictures and older, repaired scanned familiy photos as well as pictures of my children's friends to their parents.

I do some consulting on home theatre setups and video. I do not use any of the Photoimpact video features because I am have so many video oriented multi-media tools that I am comfortable with.

Like everyone else, I wish I had more time to "tool around" with Photoimpact. The functionality is incredibly vast.

Heinz-oz, thanks again, for a perfect and valuable answer. :D
heinz-oz wrote:The answer to that question entirley depends on what it is you are using PI for.

Unless you are a digital photographer, wanting the improved RAW capabilities of PI 11, the reasons for upgrading are getting slimmer.

If you do not belong to the aforementioned category and PI 10 does what you want, I don't see a reason why you should consider upgrading.

Many people have had positive experiences with 11, being more stable and all that, but other did not. It's your call.
[b]"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003. [/b]
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Post by alan927 »

I agree with heinz-oz - there aren't many reasons to upgrade. I've got both 10 and 11 installed on my machine and 10 is much more stable given the functions I use (Lens Filters).

I will say this for 11, though. Its interface is much more organized and finding functionality is much easier. As I go back and forth 10 seems to have all of the features; some of them are just buried where you wouldn't expect to find them. So using 11 has improved my usage of 10.
jolo
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Post by jolo »

Alan927,

I would like to thank you for your time and expertise.

I am very happy to read that the Interface in v11 is more organized.
I think the growing functionality of PI has gotten to the point that there needed to be a rethinking of the interace.

Sounds like the PI development team's aggressiveness in making PI more and more dynamic has resulted in the need to re-design the front end to make PI easier to learn and use.

Not much different from anyone who works with clients and becomes so successful that they need to re-organize their office to become more efficient.

It also is understandable that front end changes would create instabilbility for a time. A front end change also means major changes on how the internals operate.

I am going to stay with v10 .
Most of the functions I use are ones that I stumbled on and are effective for me, so I reuse them.
But I know I can do a better job and faster job of editing if I go to back to the basics with PI.

Alan, great input. Thanks for takijng your time and talnent and sharing it with me that rest of the Web Board community.

Thanks again,

Jon :D


alan927 wrote:I agree with heinz-oz - there aren't many reasons to upgrade. I've got both 10 and 11 installed on my machine and 10 is much more stable given the functions I use (Lens Filters).

I will say this for 11, though. Its interface is much more organized and finding functionality is much easier. As I go back and forth 10 seems to have all of the features; some of them are just buried where you wouldn't expect to find them. So using 11 has improved my usage of 10.
[b]"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003. [/b]
oglitsch

Post by oglitsch »

keenart, I suspect you of having many pirate copies - don't tell us that you bought all the graphic tools you mentioned above!

jolo: Me too, I'm working with graphic tools since almost 20 years now and I also bought all PI versions from 3 up to 11. But I agree with heinz-oz: An update to version 11 is NOT a must. Some nice features have been added, but at the cost of stability (my opinion). I use PI mainly for web graphics and need very often the text tool. Therefore I went back to version 10 because of the ugly bug in the text tool of PI11.
jolo
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P10 to P11

Post by jolo »

Oglitsch,

I thank you for sharing your the genorosity of you time and expertise in your reply.

I have been in the IT business for many year, but never, ever had trained as a graphic artists. The most graphical challanges that I have was putting together Powerpoint Presentations with handouts and learned from the graphics and training department in my company a standard look where really less was better.

I am aware while like you, I was a version 3'r my uses of Photoimpact have been rudimentary. My learns skills on the video and audio end are different. Those are more techniocal and not so involved with the layout of items, chosing colors and the power of subtle changes in editing still images.

I use PI mostly for
  • *For editing screen captures, especially for IT documentation.
    *The Crop tools
    *The incredibly natural way that PI can make my wife happy by shaving off about ten pounds.
    *The beautify skin option is sensational. So natural in how it can smooth out skin. When my two older boys were 16-18, PI does a sensational job of smoothing out their acne.
    *I just learned, from a tutorial, how to remove the "white eye" from flash pictures of my Dog and Cat.
    *Merging some images and adding frames
    *The text tool a lot. Sometimes selecting banners. I put the name of my favorite blues artist on the PI edited picture on my avatar.
    *For fun, using the distortion feature, mostly with my children, to make them look like they just walked off the set of an old science fiction movie.
I do need to learn more, especially to cut down on the time I take searching and experimenting.

The information about V11 I have read in many places. As I have said before, when large changes occur in a front end, it is to be expected that there will be some bugs. I will wait and upgrade when I have a reason to.

I do feel that PI has come a long way as far as stability. There used to be times when it would crash on my in th e middle of editing fairly frequently.
In general, I find that using a great frewar product called Ccleaner and/or rebooting before going into a PI session helps. Regularly degramenting my drives with O & O software also helps. Defragmenting regulary is not an option , but a must if anyone works with editing video.
If anyone is interest, here is th e web site for Ccleaner, I liked it so much, I even donated to the authors after my first use. Ccleaner home page

oglitsch,
Thanks for making me laugh. I also have used and use other graphics products for special situation. BUT, the products I use all came to me included in boxes of Canon hardware. No pirating of software for me. I wont even look at any software that does not allow someone to download a full or mostly full demo.

I have a FTP site, that I use to share a lot of files between friends and family. I think it is time for me to have a real web site as well.
I am going to have to look at some of the tutorials about how to use PI, which I assume will give me a graphical front end and create some HTML code that I can add. Currently I just use WS-FTP to upload files and I started to write soem straight HTML or XML code as I start my web site. I wouldn't mind getting the help of PI in web site development.

oglitsch wrote:keenart, I suspect you of having many pirate copies - don't tell us that you bought all the graphic tools you mentioned above!

jolo: Me too, I'm working with graphic tools since almost 20 years now and I also bought all PI versions from 3 up to 11. But I agree with heinz-oz: An update to version 11 is NOT a must. Some nice features have been added, but at the cost of stability (my opinion). I use PI mainly for web graphics and need very often the text tool. Therefore I went back to version 10 because of the ugly bug in the text tool of PI11.
[b]"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003. [/b]
heinz-oz

Post by heinz-oz »

@ jolo

I know many people are using PI for web design. I never have and possibly never will (one should never say never, never! I think I just did 8) ). I do create my web images with PI though.

I just couldn't be bothered to lear how to write html on top of everything else. I have crated a few web sites over the years and always have used a so called WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) editor to do that. Very easy and effective. Just google for it and I'm sure you will come up with a long list.

I use a relatively low cost one http://www.netobjects.com/ but you will find many more.
keenart

Post by keenart »

oglitsch

I was drawing when I was 6, baby-sitters idea to keep me busy. I have been an artist for more than 30 years.

The first copy of Photoshop 3.0 I bought was at an auction. Two years later, when I wanted to upgrade and called Adobe, asking them why my upgrade wouldn’t work, they informed me my copy was one of 1000 pirated copies and one of those I now owned. They then told me to send the pirated copy to them and sold me the full version for $600. I was so embarrassed and pi**ed off I vowed never again to let that happen. And, guess what! All of my copies of Graphic Editors are registered with those companies. They have to be I write Tutorials, Books, and Users Guides, for some of them.

Not one of the dozen copies of the Graphic Editors I have is pirated. Paid for them all with my own money. However, I do buy at major discount. Just paid $135 last month for Photoshop CS2, and it is legit so says Adobe.
oglitsch

Post by oglitsch »

Maybe I have been misunderstood: I don't create websites with PI - I just use it for making most of the graphics (buttons, backgrounds, etc.)! To create irregular 3D-objects or graphic text I switch to Xara Xtreme and for coding HTML I use Dreamweaver and Homesite.

Although the bugs in PI drive me mad sometimes, I like to work with PI10 because in my opinion it is very intuitive to handle.
oglitsch

Post by oglitsch »

keenart: Sorry, I didn't want to accuse you of piracy - it was just a suspicion... After your explanation everything is clear to me;-)

The same with me: As a web design professional I also own many, many original and registered graphic and development tools and spent many hundreds of $ for it...

Sorry for may false conclusion!
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