HDV and Windows 2000

[osaeris]

Hi there,

I've done no end of searching trying to find a solution to this. As has been mentioned before in other threads there's no way to get Windows 2000 (or XP SP1) to recognise the Sony FX1e as an HDV and not a DV device. Is this some quirk of the operating system or will it ever be possible to capture HDV in Windows 2000.

PS I've got closer using Kino on Ubuntu Breezy which at least recognises the Sony HDV camera by name but fails to start capturing in Kino 0.8.0. I'm hoping that the next upgrade to DVgrab will allow capture from the FX1e but I will then have to copy the files over to the Windows editing machine before being able to do anything. I also always keep the .bcf capture files in case of disaster but that's not going to work with this method.

I don't think I'm alone in being narked by this as the MSP8 box does say XP SP2 required for [i]non-proxy[/i] editing. I don't want to do non-proxy editing I want to edit with proxy files, so I should be good to go, no?.

If anyone can shed more light on this issue I'd be really grateful.

[tyamada]

Why you don't upgrade to Windows XP?

I have Windows XP w/SP2 and don't have problems capturing with my HDR-HC1 HD camera.

You can do proxy/non-proxy editing with MSP8 it depends on how you setup smart proxy.

[htchien]

Microsoft released an updated firewire driver for Windows XP on Windows Update so it can recognize more firewire devices, but it's in Windows XP SP2 and later only.

Hope this helps.

H.T.

[osaeris]

Thanks for your replies folks. Just a couple of points to add.

I have chosen not to upgrade to XP. I have to use XP SP1 with MSP7 at work (with nothing else installed) and it's far less stable (in my experience) than MSP 7 or 8 under windows 2000 which I use at home. Also, I don't see why it should be necessary to install a new operating system to capture a 25Mbit/s video stream over a 1394 cable. There must be someone capable of writing a driver file. Is there some kind of architectural reason why this is not possible ?

In the meantime I will continue to investigate capturing HDV on my Ubuntu machine which seems much closer to fruition than HDV capture in 2000.

I really love MSP and I love Windows 2000 they're really fast and easy system s and I would love for there to be a solution to HDV capture.

Steve

[THoff]

Have you tried this:

http://home.earthlink.net/~weathersix/other.htm

[Devil]

Thanks for your replies folks. Just a couple of points to add.

I have chosen not to upgrade to XP. I have to use XP SP1 with MSP7 at work (with nothing else installed) and it's far less stable (in my experience) than MSP 7 or 8 under windows 2000 which I use at home. Also, I don't see why it should be necessary to install a new operating system to capture a 25Mbit/s video stream over a 1394 cable. There must be someone capable of writing a driver file. Is there some kind of architectural reason why this is not possible ?

In the meantime I will continue to investigate capturing HDV on my Ubuntu machine which seems much closer to fruition than HDV capture in 2000.

I really love MSP and I love Windows 2000 they're really fast and easy system s and I would love for there to be a solution to HDV capture.

Steve

Let's take your argument to its logical conclusion. Windows 2000 is faster than XP. Windows NT 4 is faster than 2000. MS-DOS 6 is faster than NT-4. MS-DOS 5.2 is faster than 6. MS-DOS 3 is faster than 5.2. All MS-DOS systems are more reliable than Windows. Therefore, you should be running everything off MS-DOS 3.

[htchien]

Hi Devil,

I think it might not be neccessary to say like this. Everyone has his choice, isn't it?


Hi Steve,

I can understand why you prefer Windows 2000 than Windows XP, but it's Microsoft choose to provide the supports for Windows. Other independent hardware/software vendors like Ulead can only follow Microsoft because Microsoft is the one who make Windows.

Yes, it's possible you will find an update IEEE1394 firewire driver from a third-party manufacturer. You can ask the manufacturer of your device to seek for it or use Google to find it.

Hope this helps.

H.T.

[Primekid]

Ya, devil tends to use the biting sarcastic approach from what I have seen of most of his posts.

Maybe he could write comical dialog for Dennis Miller.

[osaeris]

Devil,

I would just love to be using DOS 3, how did you guess? Actually I think I'm going to plump for one of those set top boxes for the FX1e that records straight to disk which can be plugged into your NLE system when you get home without capturing.

Something along these lines

http://www.cke.co.uk/acatalog/Focus.html

Not cheap but looks like you never need to buy HDV tapes at a tenner each again.

Steve

[Devil]

Actually, I'd like to use MS-DOS, as well. I've been heavily involved in ECAD design. In the days when we were using MS-DOS 6 on a Pentium Pro or II, we could autoroute (a process that, on a typical medium-dense Double Eurocard double-sided PCB would take anything from 2-12 hours, depending on the design rules and other factors) at roughly ½ - ¾ the time it takes now on a dualie under the guidance of Windows XP.

Quite frankly, I hate Windows (and other GUIs) and much prefer guided DOS command lines.

I also programmed some scientific instruments under DOS and they worked well. When someone decided that the customers wanted Windows NT-4, other programmers were never able to make it work because of critical timing issues.

[THoff]

Devil,

I would just love to be using DOS 3, how did you guess? Actually I think I'm going to plump for one of those set top boxes for the FX1e that records straight to disk which can be plugged into your NLE system when you get home without capturing.

Something along these lines

http://www.cke.co.uk/acatalog/Focus.html

Not cheap but looks like you never need to buy HDV tapes at a tenner each again.

Steve

You could also use DV Rack on a PC instead of buying the expensive Firestore:

http://www.seriousmagic.com/dvrack.cfm

Granted there are some advantages to having a relatively small stand-alone device do the recording, but a laptop with DV Rack has capabilities far beyond simple recording.

[osaeris]

The early versions of VistaPro and 3D Studio (now 3ds Max) on DOS were excellent. I can remember doing 320x240 FLC animations flying through random valleys with VP and overlaying silly little spaceships in 3ds with not a crash in sight. Rose tinted specs probably but hey....

Anyway as I said in an earlier post the Kino developer says it's high on his ToDo list to get HDV working in DVGRAB. That's a tiny little command line utility in Linux that allows raw DV capture at the moment. Mentioned in this thread. http://www.kinodv.org/dcforum/dcforum?a ... =543&page=

That sounds like one possible avenue. I also liked the idea of updated 1394 firmware. I still don't understand how it's not possible to cap HDV in 2000 tho'. Can a Ulead dev tell me what's missing other than help from Microsoft?. The data stream must be well documented.

Steve

[osaeris]

Just to let you all know I ordered XP service pack 2 retail, reluctantly mind. Now to try to keep the installation to an absolute minimum!

Steve

[tyamada]

Once you get XP loaded you might want to try Movie Factory for you High Definition video.

It performs better than MSP8 with HD.