I finished my first project using ulead 8 and love this thing! However, that crisp, clean music that sounds so good while watching in storyboard or as a converted MPEG and WMV, sounds terrible on the final DVD burn! What's going on with this?
Is it because I used an mp3 as my music source and not wav? Please tell me it's as simple as this!.....lol. The music I import for the menu page sounds fine, but the music in the video sounds muffled and gets distorted if I turn the tv up.
I really need to correct this somehow, as I can't stand seeing such a great video diminished by something that I'm hoping is very fixable. I really need a better sounding video. Any ideas?
My music sounds great in project, terrible on DVD (Ulead 8)
Moderator: Ken Berry
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THoff
When you preview the project in the timeline, UVS will not perform any transcoding if it doesn't have to. However, to burn the DVD, all assets that are in your project need to be converted to a format that is compatible with the DVD standard.
So while MP3 audio will play as MP3 audio in the Preview, it will need to be converted to LPCM/MPEG2/AC3 format to match your DVD project settings. That conversion may well result in a loss of quality.
So while MP3 audio will play as MP3 audio in the Preview, it will need to be converted to LPCM/MPEG2/AC3 format to match your DVD project settings. That conversion may well result in a loss of quality.
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IronMike778
Thanks for the reply. I deleted the mp3 and inserted a wav that was ripped directly from the CD.
I played the final DVD in my computer and it sounded great. However, I'm still getting crappy sound from my DVD player hooked upto my tv. I know what you're thinking, it must be the DVD player or the tv. Well, I use the DVD player all the time to watch movies and concerts and they sound great. I don't understand why my project should suffer such a loss in quality on the same setup. It's very muffled and lacks any crispness. I have to believe this is a simple adjustment somewhere, somehow, but I feel like I've tried everything. I don't know what to do at this point.
I played the final DVD in my computer and it sounded great. However, I'm still getting crappy sound from my DVD player hooked upto my tv. I know what you're thinking, it must be the DVD player or the tv. Well, I use the DVD player all the time to watch movies and concerts and they sound great. I don't understand why my project should suffer such a loss in quality on the same setup. It's very muffled and lacks any crispness. I have to believe this is a simple adjustment somewhere, somehow, but I feel like I've tried everything. I don't know what to do at this point.
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THoff
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juliomm
Check your audio stream
Try to check the quality of your audio stream from any of the VOB files: Frequency (48KHz), bitrate (384kbps), etc. For example, you can demux it with TMPEG and open the audio stream with HeadAc3he. It looks as if the DVD player is expecting something different from what it gets.
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Spud
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IronMike778
Well that's depressing! I wish I could be so lucky. My final DVD sounds perfect if I watch it on my computer, but I still get that dull, muffled sound on my TV from that DVD player. I don't know, maybe it is the DVD player. But like I said, I watch concerts all the time on it with no problems whatsoever with the audio.Spud wrote:For what it's worth my VS8 project's audio sounds awesome over my dvd player and I'm running all audio settings at defaults. I think most of my mp3s are at 128 or better.
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robertpcx
iron mike;
I am curious to know if any one else has tried this.
First I want to appologize ahead of time for an explanation which is lacking in sophistication and of being some what incomplete. It took me months of frustration before I was able to be satisfied with my results --- I thought I should share this with you anyway.---I hope it is of some use.
Of course instead of just the image in the video time line you can add your video at the desired bit rate with the audio your going to use, but since your broblem is the distortion of your audio I thought you could use the ideas I have laid out here regarding the audio scheme I am useing. The hope is that this will help you resolve the problems you are having with audio distortion.
One of the problems I had with WAV files ripper from audio CD's was the audio was too loud--- when after I created my DVD and played it back through my (set back box) even through a nice sound system it sounded distorted--- eventually I figured out that I needed to use the (audio filter)
(--- Click on the WAV file and this will show the (audio filters) button in uvs8 on the left side of the screen).
in uvs8 to turn down the volume of the ripped wave files--- in most cases I turned down the volume of the WAV files by as much as 90% ( a volume setting of 10% in the audio filter for volume) is what I used.
Of course since ripped WAV files are at a frequency of 44.1Khz I was thinking the distortion was caused by the conversion to 48Khz in uvs8, which is what is used in DVD compliant mpeg, but I don't convert my WAV audio files to 48Khz any more before I create my disk.
I simply use the audio filter (volume) in uvs8 and then lay the ripped WAV files into the audio time line, add a (5 second long) jpg or bmp image to the video time line, click (share) click (create disk) set the video compression to a minimum for DVD compliant mpeg by typing 1 in the compression window it will automatically reset to the minimum bit rate allowed for compression of the image you set on the video time line. By allowing only an image file of duration of (5 seconds) with a variable bit rate.
--- video compression through out the length of the audio DVD is at a minimum. (strictly speaking usv8 is a video editing program) but why not use it for creating an audio DVD?
This does not seem to work in uvs7 as you can't add just an image file on the video time line, it must be some kind of video file so the file length is bigger.
for the audio settings I use the AC3 audio and set the audio compression to 256 (default audio rate for AC3) I get a fairly small video file size, with(AC3) audio of 210 meg for one hour of DVD audio. This file includes video but at an extremly reduced bit rate --- played back on a TV the image file is displayed for 5 seconds and then the TV screen will be blank with no image. This means that if your DVD player audio is hooked up to an external suround sound speaker system with audio amplifier you could turn off your TV and listen to just the AC3 audio sound track playing from the DVD disk. Or through your computer speaker system.
I can pick out various audio albums from the menu I created in u movie factory but I don't create chapters for each song track like on an audio cd, the only reason why I don't create chapters is because of the extra time this would take to do so.
I have found I get a smaller file size using (windows millennium) rather than (windows xp), I do all my A/V editing in (windows millennium).
I create the DVD files to my Hard disk first and then record to a DVD disk. This way I can check the menu and the audio quality.
Basically I have a DVD audio disk which plays in my dvd set top box with about 20 hours of high quality (Dolby Audio) audio--- plus if your sound system has (Coax or Optical in), your (Audio DVD) will sound even better.
You will have to play around with the (audio volume filter) a bit to see what works best, as you can turn down the volume too much.
robertpcx
I am curious to know if any one else has tried this.
First I want to appologize ahead of time for an explanation which is lacking in sophistication and of being some what incomplete. It took me months of frustration before I was able to be satisfied with my results --- I thought I should share this with you anyway.---I hope it is of some use.
Of course instead of just the image in the video time line you can add your video at the desired bit rate with the audio your going to use, but since your broblem is the distortion of your audio I thought you could use the ideas I have laid out here regarding the audio scheme I am useing. The hope is that this will help you resolve the problems you are having with audio distortion.
One of the problems I had with WAV files ripper from audio CD's was the audio was too loud--- when after I created my DVD and played it back through my (set back box) even through a nice sound system it sounded distorted--- eventually I figured out that I needed to use the (audio filter)
(--- Click on the WAV file and this will show the (audio filters) button in uvs8 on the left side of the screen).
in uvs8 to turn down the volume of the ripped wave files--- in most cases I turned down the volume of the WAV files by as much as 90% ( a volume setting of 10% in the audio filter for volume) is what I used.
Of course since ripped WAV files are at a frequency of 44.1Khz I was thinking the distortion was caused by the conversion to 48Khz in uvs8, which is what is used in DVD compliant mpeg, but I don't convert my WAV audio files to 48Khz any more before I create my disk.
I simply use the audio filter (volume) in uvs8 and then lay the ripped WAV files into the audio time line, add a (5 second long) jpg or bmp image to the video time line, click (share) click (create disk) set the video compression to a minimum for DVD compliant mpeg by typing 1 in the compression window it will automatically reset to the minimum bit rate allowed for compression of the image you set on the video time line. By allowing only an image file of duration of (5 seconds) with a variable bit rate.
--- video compression through out the length of the audio DVD is at a minimum. (strictly speaking usv8 is a video editing program) but why not use it for creating an audio DVD?
This does not seem to work in uvs7 as you can't add just an image file on the video time line, it must be some kind of video file so the file length is bigger.
for the audio settings I use the AC3 audio and set the audio compression to 256 (default audio rate for AC3) I get a fairly small video file size, with(AC3) audio of 210 meg for one hour of DVD audio. This file includes video but at an extremly reduced bit rate --- played back on a TV the image file is displayed for 5 seconds and then the TV screen will be blank with no image. This means that if your DVD player audio is hooked up to an external suround sound speaker system with audio amplifier you could turn off your TV and listen to just the AC3 audio sound track playing from the DVD disk. Or through your computer speaker system.
I can pick out various audio albums from the menu I created in u movie factory but I don't create chapters for each song track like on an audio cd, the only reason why I don't create chapters is because of the extra time this would take to do so.
I have found I get a smaller file size using (windows millennium) rather than (windows xp), I do all my A/V editing in (windows millennium).
I create the DVD files to my Hard disk first and then record to a DVD disk. This way I can check the menu and the audio quality.
Basically I have a DVD audio disk which plays in my dvd set top box with about 20 hours of high quality (Dolby Audio) audio--- plus if your sound system has (Coax or Optical in), your (Audio DVD) will sound even better.
You will have to play around with the (audio volume filter) a bit to see what works best, as you can turn down the volume too much.
robertpcx
Last edited by robertpcx on Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
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IronMike778
Wow..........thanks for the great response. It seems you had the exact same problem as me. I will try your method, but first, can you explain the use of the jpg again? ANd where would I place the picture in my timeline? And how many DVD's will I waste by testing different things?! Lol.........robertpcx wrote:iron mike;
II simply use the audio filter (volume) in uvs8 and then lay the ripped WAV files into the audio time line, add a (5 second long) jpg or bmp image to the video time line, click (share) click (create disk) set the video compression to a minimum for DVD compliant by typing 1 in the compression window it will automatically reset to the minimum bit rate allowed for compression of the image you set on the video time line. By allowing only an image file of duration of (5 seconds) with a variable bit rate.
robertpcx
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robertpcx
Iron mike;
Simply drop the jpg file (5 second) of duration into the video time line and it will snap to the very beginning of the video time line of (0) seconds. This along with the minimum bit rate for the video compression rate of 1500kbs and a (variable bit rate instead of a constant bit rate) gives you the smallest sized file for the creation of an audio DVD.
AC3 audio is dolby audio and in the case of ulead is 2 channel the same as most music files (no 5.1 surround) but with a great seperation of the sterio channels and the other great qualities of dolby surround, with a surround sound system. And of course AC3 is the standard format used in DVD movies and so is the most compatable (universal) with DVD set top box players. (mpeg audio) isn't as compatable as AC3 audio with DVD stb players and is not dolby. using WAV or PCM audio the size of your audio DVD will be much larger as will be your hove movie if that is what you want.
With AC3 audio DVD I was able to put more then 6 hours of good quality audio on a mini DVD-R disk which holds 1.4 GIGabytes total.
If you put the jpg on the (overlay) time line track you can put an image at the beginning of each individual audio track and then create chapters for each audio track just as in an audio cd. But I find this to be a lot if I have 300 WAV audio tracks so I don't bother to do this instead I create audio volumes of 30 minuites or less.
For each Audio Volume I create DVD video file without menu, I then go into file manager find the VOB file which was created and change it to a mpg file giveing it a volume name. Then when I have created a number of these mpg volume files I open up movie factory in video studio by (without adding anything on the time line) clicking on share - create disk now I add the mpg music volumes to the time line and create a menu now with the names of the music volumes I created. click on the clog wheel set the video compression and AC3 audio compression paramaters and create my audio DVD. This way the Volumes I created earlier are not rendered again and so it doesn't take as much time to finish the project.
If you want to be able to enjoy the coax or optical in on your surround sound system the jpg file of (5 sec) duration seems to be necessary. But it is a small price to pay for this convenience.
Set the audio and video compression in u movie factory after you have set your audio files and jpg or video in the audio and video time lines in uvs8.
You set the video compression and audio compression in movie factory by clicking on the little cog wheel in the lower left corner below the time line.
robertpcx
Simply drop the jpg file (5 second) of duration into the video time line and it will snap to the very beginning of the video time line of (0) seconds. This along with the minimum bit rate for the video compression rate of 1500kbs and a (variable bit rate instead of a constant bit rate) gives you the smallest sized file for the creation of an audio DVD.
AC3 audio is dolby audio and in the case of ulead is 2 channel the same as most music files (no 5.1 surround) but with a great seperation of the sterio channels and the other great qualities of dolby surround, with a surround sound system. And of course AC3 is the standard format used in DVD movies and so is the most compatable (universal) with DVD set top box players. (mpeg audio) isn't as compatable as AC3 audio with DVD stb players and is not dolby. using WAV or PCM audio the size of your audio DVD will be much larger as will be your hove movie if that is what you want.
With AC3 audio DVD I was able to put more then 6 hours of good quality audio on a mini DVD-R disk which holds 1.4 GIGabytes total.
If you put the jpg on the (overlay) time line track you can put an image at the beginning of each individual audio track and then create chapters for each audio track just as in an audio cd. But I find this to be a lot if I have 300 WAV audio tracks so I don't bother to do this instead I create audio volumes of 30 minuites or less.
For each Audio Volume I create DVD video file without menu, I then go into file manager find the VOB file which was created and change it to a mpg file giveing it a volume name. Then when I have created a number of these mpg volume files I open up movie factory in video studio by (without adding anything on the time line) clicking on share - create disk now I add the mpg music volumes to the time line and create a menu now with the names of the music volumes I created. click on the clog wheel set the video compression and AC3 audio compression paramaters and create my audio DVD. This way the Volumes I created earlier are not rendered again and so it doesn't take as much time to finish the project.
If you want to be able to enjoy the coax or optical in on your surround sound system the jpg file of (5 sec) duration seems to be necessary. But it is a small price to pay for this convenience.
Set the audio and video compression in u movie factory after you have set your audio files and jpg or video in the audio and video time lines in uvs8.
You set the video compression and audio compression in movie factory by clicking on the little cog wheel in the lower left corner below the time line.
robertpcx
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IronMike778
Ok, a new twist to my problem. I just brought a copy of my "perfect" mpeg movie to someone else's computer and it was a complete disaster!! As it turns out, my movie was NOT fine as an mpeg but subpar as a DVD. You see, I have 4 speakers and a subwoofer hooked up to my computer.......that's why it sounded ok!!! When I played it another computer that had only 2 speakers it was HORRIBLE!! The music was so distorted from loudness it's not even funny. So, it seems it only sounded muffled on my DVD player because it was burned that way......I didn't recognize the problem because my 4-speaker setup distributed the sound.
So, what do I do???!? Why am I the only one having SO MUCH trouble with the music/audio part of my movie??? I am beyond frustrated. Here are the settings I've got going:
Song Properties-
Wav format
Audio Compression - PCM
Attributes - 44 khz, 16 bit, stereo
Project Properties-
Audio Settings - LPCM
(Audio type and frequency are faded and can't be changed in anyway.
So, what do I do???!? Why am I the only one having SO MUCH trouble with the music/audio part of my movie??? I am beyond frustrated. Here are the settings I've got going:
Song Properties-
Wav format
Audio Compression - PCM
Attributes - 44 khz, 16 bit, stereo
Project Properties-
Audio Settings - LPCM
(Audio type and frequency are faded and can't be changed in anyway.