Hi8 to digital

heinz-oz

Post by heinz-oz »

I would rather think that there is something else to blame. As far as the capture is concerned, once your clip is on the DV tape, there is no difference to a clip you filmed with the GS 11. Hence, the reason that you cannot capture must be elsewhere.

I have started to think that maybe your Temp file is limited and has filled up. When did you last defrag your HDD?
What are the settings for your temp file in VS preferences?
Please edit your profile on this board and state your system details. That way, you only have to do it once.
We need your OS, HDD size, free space on it?
how much memory do you have?
What else is running on your system?
Can you still capture a full hour from your GS 11 if you actually filmed the footage with it? I suspect not because of what I stated above.
Ormond Williams
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Post by Ormond Williams »

heinz-oz,
Video taken with the GS11 captures perfectly. I have just finished capturing two tapes of one hour each that I took 14 months ago without any problems.

It is only the video copied from the other camera that gives trouble!
I defrag very regularly, just did it a few days ago.

I will look into entering some details in my profile, but the computer issues you speak of cannot be causing the problem, otherwise video taken with the GS11 would not capture.
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Re: Hi8 to digital

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Ormond Williams wrote:Devil,
I did try to do it that way, but once I had connected the two cameras successfully, (the way the manual stated), I plugged in the firewire cable and only could capture what the GS 11 saw.
That suggests you need to do something in the camera menu.

FYI, I use a Canopus black box which converts analogue to DV and have captured 3 hour VHSs without a single glitch.

Just had a thought. Both cams use the same system, don'y they????
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heinz-oz

Re: Hi8 to digital

Post by heinz-oz »

Ormond Williams wrote:heinz-oz,
Video taken with the GS11 captures perfectly. I have just finished capturing two tapes of one hour each that I took 14 months ago without any problems.

It is only the video copied from the other camera that gives trouble!
I defrag very regularly, just did it a few days ago.

I will look into entering some details in my profile, but the computer issues you speak of cannot be causing the problem, otherwise video taken with the GS11 would not capture.
Was just a thought :? Did not have a way of knowing. That's why I asked if you could still capture a full tape filmed with the GS.

Well, the only explanation left is that there is something wrong with you GS 11's conversion to DV and/or the recording of it to tape.

You stated that, when connecting the GS 11 to the PC with the High8 connected to the AV in on the GS, all the capture window could see was what the GS saw, right? That would indicate that the GS was in camera mode, not play back. You could try once more. Connect all devices like you did before but put the GS into play back mode. AFAIK, you need to start play back on the High8 and pause it there. This way you get a signal going through the GS. After starting the capture, you have to press the pause button again on the High8 to start the play back.

Let's see what happens.
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Re: Hi8 to digital

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Devil wrote: Just had a thought. Both cams use the same system, don'y they????
Do you mean the "Pal" system? Yes they do if that's what you mean!
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Post by Devil »

If you are in PAL-land, are you in the EU? Many of the camcorders imported into the EU had features allowing the recording/playback of external video disabled because of some crazy notion that they then became videocorders which attracted a higher rate of import duty. Could this apply to your's?
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Post by Ormond Williams »

Devil,
I am in Australia. I don't know anything about videocorders.
The video that I copied onto the GS11 DV tape, plays back on the screen of the camera.
Perhaps you are right about there being a setting that is not right, so I will phone Panasonic in Australia and ask them a few questions about doing a pass through capture.

When I copied the video onto the DV tape, I had to set the camera to "Playback", which surprised me, but I just followed the instructions exactly and it worked OK. Its just the capturing that is causing the trouble.

I am also asking around to try to borrow a digital8 camera.
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Post by kliker »

Last Sunday I captured 6, 90 minute Hi 8 tapes, one after the other using Video Studio 9. No dropped frames
Cameras used a Sony Hi 8 and a Panasonic Digital NV-GS400

The first thing is to make sure the Digital camera is recognised in VS9 and a tape can be captured from it. Just capture 2 or 3 minutes to be sure.

Next patch the Hi8 camera to the digital via Svideo cable and the red and white RCA cables( do NOT connect the yellow if using an Svideo cable)
Set your Hi 8 camera to playback so its picture can be seen running on both cameras. (Both cameras turned on)
Patch the Digital to the PC with a firewire cable

*At this point I removed the tape from the Digital Camera as that seemed to enable the video to flow through to VS9

Set the capture options for VS9 and away you go
Test the capture for 2 or 3 minutes and play it back, if all OK go for the lot
This setup worked for me as I captured 9 hours of video with it and I am an old Fart of 84 years.

Good luck
Doug
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PS: I am also in Australia in Perth
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Post by Ormond Williams »

G'day kliker,

My Panasonic GS11 came with a cable that has red, white and yellow plugs at one end and only one plug at the other end. There is only one socket in the GS11. I will try your method with the red and white one connected to the Hi8 camera (Sony) and no tape in it.

What settings did you have on your digital? record or playback?

I have Vid Studio 9 as well as MSPro 8, so I can try both!

Congrats on being 84 and coping with all this technology stuff!
Hows Perth?
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Post by kliker »

That is the cable to use, make sure to plug the stereo plug into the AV IN/OUT hole not the remote mike.
Remember do NOT plug in the yellow if using Svideo, the red and white are for stereo audio and the yellow is composite video.
The Svideo will give a better video picture
Set your digital camera to playback
Perth is great today after a very hot spell it is in the low 20's today
Ormond Williams
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Post by Ormond Williams »

kliker,

I tried setting up the cameras exactly as you described and I get the video from the Hi8 camera to appear on the GS11 screen while it plays, but no luck with capturing.

I used both VS9 and MSPro8 and neither worked. They both gave messages that indicated that said:
"No video was captured. Please check if there is any input signal.
There may be no device selected."

Checked all connections many times. Tested capture with a DV tape in the GS11...worked fine......took the tape out and tried to capture with the Hi8 playing (which comes through on the GS11 screen), but no capture happens and the above message pops up again.

Looks like a more intense search for a Digital8 to borrow or rent.
Thanks for your help!
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Post by kliker »

Having the Hi 8 video appear on your Digital is good.
Now it is a matter of getting VS9 to recognise the digital.

In vs9 selecct Capture and then Capture Video.

In the options Panel, Source should show your Panasonic Digital by name and when the camera is detected a screen will pop up saying a new device is connected do you want to use it... answer yes
Then you can control the camera from the PC

Format should show... AVI

Try rebooting and go through the steps outlined untill the digital camera is named as the source

check your Project propeties, make sure that DV-Pal is selected and all the other items are correct for PAL

You can only capture if you see your Hi8 playing on the computer screen
Click the geared wheel labeled options and get those properties right so that VS9 sees your camera
Try all those steps with the digital turned off and then turn it on and watch for the pop up screen
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Post by Ormond Williams »

kliker,
VS9 and MSPro both recognise the digital camera and will capture from it, but as soon as the tape is removed, it doesn't recognise that anything is connected.

I have tried so many different things now, that I think I am just wasting time. There must be something in my system that is causing the problem, so I will have to abandon this method and find a Digital 8 camera somewhere.
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Post by kliker »

Does the HI8 tape show on the PC? With the digital tape in or out.
If not check the Digital camera playback settings, although it probably is since you can capture now,.
I really feel that the problem lies in the capture properties
Try a capture to MPEG2
Try File New Project and reset those properties, see the sticky at the start of the threads for Pal country.
Be sure everything matches
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