There was a problem having MSP7 and MSP8 on the same computer at the same time - it caused a problem with the audio filters and I posted a work around earlier in this thread.
I understand that one of the fixes in the MSP8 service pack addressed tht problem but I have not had the need to uninstall and re-install my programs to confirm that the issue has been rectified and I have no reason to believe it still exists.
There should no longer be any need to mess with the registry.
The Post you appear to be referring to is
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 8896#48896
What do you do with older versions?
Re: What do you do with older versions?
As it's an upgrade, you are updating your old software to the new version, you shouldn't install the upgrade or the version it replaces onto a different computer. That's why there's a reduced pricing for upgrades, compared with a "full" copy, despite the only difference being the procedural during the install. (The install program checks for an existing copy of a qualifying earlier version.)Brainiac wrote:Hi
I was wondering what those of you who have upgraded you MSP software (or any other Ulead software) do with the 'old' versions? Do you leave them on you HD, install them on another computer or delete them from your computer?
Can we use older and newer versions on the same or different computers?
That said, it would be foolish of Ulead to enforce such a condition in the EULA, because (as others have said) it's not advisable to switch versions mid-project. That's possibly why the install does not replace the old version as many software upgrades do, it just leaves both versions installed. It's wrong to use the old version on one computer while the upgrade is on a new computer, though.
There's a slightly different issue with regard to the MSP8 upgrade, in that some components have been split off into a new product. To some, this is actually a "downgrade" as the new version is losing features they use.
So in my opinion, you should only be able to have upgrade versions installed on the same PC as the copy they are upgrading, unless you use CG Infinity and Video paint, in which case you are morally justified (if not legally) in having the old version (only) on a different machine purely for CGI and VP.
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heinz-oz
I have to disagree with this one because, as far as I can tell, it's utterly wrong.wontonpe wrote:I have run into problems with installing or reinstalling after a reformat. I have used the upgrade path, from VS bundled version to VS7 to 8 to 9 to MSP7 to MSP8. Obviously using Ulead products for years. Reinstalling is a royal PAIN. You have to go through ALL this software to reinstall. SO DON''T get rid of your older versions, if you upgraded and did not buy full version of each new version.
I also own a bunch of Serif software(desktop publishing) & have used it for years as well. When Serif sends an upgrade, it is a completely useful program in itself. In other words, they know I have purchased their product and so they send me the full version for the upgrade price. I sure wish Ulead would use this policy. I have spent (for us) a small fortune on their software & it should not be this hard to upgrade & reinstall. When I sign on the Ulead's site, they definately know what I have purchased.
So far the software is everything I want in video editing, I just wish they would cut out the HUGE patch downloads (GRRRR - on dial up) & picky upgrade policy.
I started out with a VS 5 SE version which I upgraded to MSP 6.5 Director's Cut quick smart. After that I upgraded to MSP7.3. All of these were upgrades, not full versions. I have rebuilt my PC's many times and I never had to install all the previous versions. With MSp7.3, after the last rebuilt, all I had to do is point the MSP 7 installer to where the MSP 6.5 install.exe file was located. I had it on a backup CD of my downloaded upgrade to 6.5.
It installed without a hitch and I did not have to install all the old versions.
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beardeddiver
More Info - Clarification
Devil,
Fair question that deserve a response....
I have learned over the years that one program will never meet the requirements for creativity so I try to:
1. Keep several programs on tap for some of the more creative moves
2. Stay up to date with versions so that I have so that I have a great chance of completion on time (minimal crashes - options if things do crash - options to achieve a desired result, ...)
3. Combine several programs into a process that will permit me to "script" things so that I can work a project while making the most of my resources
So to explain a bit better...
MSP7 was being used for the things I knew I could accomplish easy and I have been exploring its capabilities on a time available basis. I do not want to fall behind on versions and put up with the setbacks that can (and this occurs with any program that is more complex) eat hours and hours of time. I want to continue to explore MSP (so I presume 8 is better) to see what else is available in MSP that can help my finished results. Sooo, I really would like to load it unless it is going to take a toll on my system.
I haven't even asked the REAL question I wanted to ask since I ran into this install question and am stuck here... How well does 8 exist with other systems such as Pinnacle, Eve, ...?
The question I am asking right now is can I load MSP8 without spending considerable time trying to maintain functionality of 7 (until I have time to upgrade those projects) and will it work with my other programs and keep the functionality options that were available in 7 (that I have yet to work into my repertoire) without having to go through loads, regedit, reloads, etc.
Is there a process documented that can accomplish that for me or would I be better off removing 7 first? And if so, can I load the projects into MSP8 and continue without incidence or does that have issues also?
I guess what I am asking is there an upgrade path outlined (written down with expected results/outcomes) or is it a shot in the dark and I am on my own?
Thanks Very Much!
Fair question that deserve a response....
I have learned over the years that one program will never meet the requirements for creativity so I try to:
1. Keep several programs on tap for some of the more creative moves
2. Stay up to date with versions so that I have so that I have a great chance of completion on time (minimal crashes - options if things do crash - options to achieve a desired result, ...)
3. Combine several programs into a process that will permit me to "script" things so that I can work a project while making the most of my resources
So to explain a bit better...
MSP7 was being used for the things I knew I could accomplish easy and I have been exploring its capabilities on a time available basis. I do not want to fall behind on versions and put up with the setbacks that can (and this occurs with any program that is more complex) eat hours and hours of time. I want to continue to explore MSP (so I presume 8 is better) to see what else is available in MSP that can help my finished results. Sooo, I really would like to load it unless it is going to take a toll on my system.
I haven't even asked the REAL question I wanted to ask since I ran into this install question and am stuck here... How well does 8 exist with other systems such as Pinnacle, Eve, ...?
The question I am asking right now is can I load MSP8 without spending considerable time trying to maintain functionality of 7 (until I have time to upgrade those projects) and will it work with my other programs and keep the functionality options that were available in 7 (that I have yet to work into my repertoire) without having to go through loads, regedit, reloads, etc.
Is there a process documented that can accomplish that for me or would I be better off removing 7 first? And if so, can I load the projects into MSP8 and continue without incidence or does that have issues also?
I guess what I am asking is there an upgrade path outlined (written down with expected results/outcomes) or is it a shot in the dark and I am on my own?
Thanks Very Much!
I don't believe anyone can answer your questions. You have a computer that is different from mine and, probably, that of every single mortal on this lump of rock, if you count everything you have on your HDD.
My video computer has WinXP Pro, drivers, various video apps and that is all. I have no NLEs on it, other than MSP7 and MSP8 (yes, they do co-exist!). I have no problems with either. My philosophy is diametrically opposed to yours. I believe in mastering a single proggy for each job, to the max that my feeble intellect will permit, rather than flitting about from one flower to another and getting confused with them. If that app, MSP, has a limitation, then I try to find a workaround (and frequently succeed!). On rare occasions, I may download a 3rd party utility (e.g., I needed to morph between two stills recently), if MSP cannot do what I need.
I'm therefore the wrong person to ask if MSP8 can co-exist with 3rd party NLEs, because I would never dream of installing, say, Pinnacle alongside MSP. If I felt I absolutely had to do that, I would certainly use dual-booting (the data is accessible from both), because many years' experience in video work has taught me, KEEP IT SIMPLE and don't clutter up your machine with everything you can lay your hands on!
That having been said, projects started in MSP7 should not be taken into MSP8 or vice versa. Sometimes you can get away with it, sometimes you can't. If you change your car, you don't transfer the sump oil from your old one to the new one, do you?
My video computer has WinXP Pro, drivers, various video apps and that is all. I have no NLEs on it, other than MSP7 and MSP8 (yes, they do co-exist!). I have no problems with either. My philosophy is diametrically opposed to yours. I believe in mastering a single proggy for each job, to the max that my feeble intellect will permit, rather than flitting about from one flower to another and getting confused with them. If that app, MSP, has a limitation, then I try to find a workaround (and frequently succeed!). On rare occasions, I may download a 3rd party utility (e.g., I needed to morph between two stills recently), if MSP cannot do what I need.
I'm therefore the wrong person to ask if MSP8 can co-exist with 3rd party NLEs, because I would never dream of installing, say, Pinnacle alongside MSP. If I felt I absolutely had to do that, I would certainly use dual-booting (the data is accessible from both), because many years' experience in video work has taught me, KEEP IT SIMPLE and don't clutter up your machine with everything you can lay your hands on!
That having been said, projects started in MSP7 should not be taken into MSP8 or vice versa. Sometimes you can get away with it, sometimes you can't. If you change your car, you don't transfer the sump oil from your old one to the new one, do you?
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heinz-oz
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jday
beardeddiver, I do run both MSP 8 and Pinnacle Studio Plus 10.7 on my video editing computer. They co-exist fine without any conflicts or problems. MSP 8 is far superior to Pinnacle Studio and I use it for 95+% of my video editing. I keep Pinnacle Studio mainly for the SmartMovie feature which I love when I need to make a quick "music video style" clip.
The only other thing that you might like in Pinnacle Studio that MSP8 does not have is DVD authoring. Personally, I still find the DVD authoring aspect of Studio buggy and very limited so I use standalone DVD authoring software for that aspect.
I do believe that if you are seriously into video editing you do need a computer that is mainly for that process (not games, office suites, etc). But, in my experience the bottom line is that there isn't a conflict between these two programs. My advice is that when you have time, spend some of it learning more about MSP8 and I think you will find this is a great piece of software.
The only other thing that you might like in Pinnacle Studio that MSP8 does not have is DVD authoring. Personally, I still find the DVD authoring aspect of Studio buggy and very limited so I use standalone DVD authoring software for that aspect.
I do believe that if you are seriously into video editing you do need a computer that is mainly for that process (not games, office suites, etc). But, in my experience the bottom line is that there isn't a conflict between these two programs. My advice is that when you have time, spend some of it learning more about MSP8 and I think you will find this is a great piece of software.
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beardeddiver
Thanks Much - Will Try to Load and See What Happens
Thanks for all the posts! It is encouraging!
My machine is strictly for multimedia so the dreaded MSFT only exists in browser form with XP Pro. I use Firefox for my browser...
With all that said, I will leave 7 on and load 8 and give it a run.
I do admit that it would be nice to use just one progam (actually had Liquid for a while and sent it back because it could not do it all and for that price it should have...) but exprience has taught me better. So I am hoping that 8 proves to be a bit better. Will post once I have it running and pass along the results.
Again thanks!!!
Willing to Try
My machine is strictly for multimedia so the dreaded MSFT only exists in browser form with XP Pro. I use Firefox for my browser...
With all that said, I will leave 7 on and load 8 and give it a run.
I do admit that it would be nice to use just one progam (actually had Liquid for a while and sent it back because it could not do it all and for that price it should have...) but exprience has taught me better. So I am hoping that 8 proves to be a bit better. Will post once I have it running and pass along the results.
Again thanks!!!
Willing to Try