Hi,
Wondering if someone can help with this. Just picked up DVDXpress the other day at Walmart. Have Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3 SE.
System (surprised it worked - an old Compaq)
PIII 866
384 RAM
Intel(R) 82810 Controller (4 MB)
ESS Allegro PCI audio (WDM)
40 GB HD + 120 GB HD (3 partitons) + 160 GB USB 2.0 HD
LG GSA 4040B DVD+/- burner
Captured old VHS videos at 9.0 Mbps (combination of VBR and CBR)/MPEG 2.0/224kbps (no problem - all intact).
Edited, split, joined videos to one clip.
Set chapters (different chapter thumbnails) and added "fade to black" at join points. Set main menu (and chapter menus - 10 chapters)
Overall project 1 hour, 53 minutes, 4 sec.
Rendering (2 methods) to VIDEO_TS folder:
(A) - Set to 7.0 Mbps/MPEG 2.0/224kbps. Checked the "Do not convert compliant DVD MPEG files" (took 1 hour, 20 minutes). Ran threw DVD Shrink to .ISO file to fit on 4.7 GB disc. DVDdecryptor to burn.
(B) - Re-encoded entire project (did NOT check the "Do not convert compliant DVD MPEG files" box) - set at 7.0 Mbps/MPEG 2.0/224kbps - took 12 hours to re-encode (also did one with LPCM). Ran threw DVD Shrink to .ISO file to fit on 4.7 GB disc. DVDdecryptor to burn.
When playing the (A) version in PowerDVD on my PC, there's this loud clicking/scraping noise that happens right at the chapter points - doesn't matter if there's a transition effect there or not (I tried it both ways). This does NOT happen when playing the disc back on my Panasoninc DVD player.
Sound distortion/noise also does not happen when playing the (B) version (either in PowerDVD or on the standalone Panasonic). Goes w/o saying that I don't want to resort to method (B)
This happens with (A) in PowerDVD whether playing the DVD-R disc or playing the .VOB files right off of my hard drive. It doesn't happen either way with the (B) version.
Not a total biggie since it's not happening on the DVD-R when played on the Panasonic, but irritating that it's happening in PowerDVD.
If anyone has any clues...thanks
Sound Distortion/Clicking at Chapter Points Using PowerDVD
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hautem
sjj1805,
Thanks much for the reply. Figured I would look first before asking, so I did a "Ctrl+F" for "export" on every .pdf document that came with the package and I can't find any reference to what you're recommending (I have Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3 SE that came with the ADS Tech DVD Xpress package). Also did a search on posts here:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... liant+mpeg
and all I could find is a reference to "Use Alt+K (or the Export Icon to the left of the timeline), then Customize.". I see no such icon in the Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3 SE version that I have (even tried the "Alt+K" shortcut on every screen and nothing).
Any more clues...thanks
Thanks much for the reply. Figured I would look first before asking, so I did a "Ctrl+F" for "export" on every .pdf document that came with the package and I can't find any reference to what you're recommending (I have Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3 SE that came with the ADS Tech DVD Xpress package). Also did a search on posts here:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... liant+mpeg
and all I could find is a reference to "Use Alt+K (or the Export Icon to the left of the timeline), then Customize.". I see no such icon in the Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3 SE version that I have (even tried the "Alt+K" shortcut on every screen and nothing).
Any more clues...thanks
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sjj1805
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OK, no export option in your version of Movie Factory.
I notice that you are capturing Old VHS Videos at 9Mbps
This is way too high for VHS (excellent if you capturing from a camcorder)
The following is an extract from the recommended procedures for Video Studio - although using Movie Factory try to follow those procedures as much as MF will allow
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=27
I am sure this will improve your sound issues.
I notice that you are capturing Old VHS Videos at 9Mbps
This is way too high for VHS (excellent if you capturing from a camcorder)
The following is an extract from the recommended procedures for Video Studio - although using Movie Factory try to follow those procedures as much as MF will allow
Source link:If you have a low resolution video source such as VHS tape and want to store a lot of video on a single DVD, you can use a lower bitrate (3-4 Mbps) and frame size as low as 352x240 at 29.967fps NTSC and 352x288 at 25fps for PAL.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=27
I am sure this will improve your sound issues.
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maddrummer3301
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After you created dvd folders on the harddisk did you play the VIDEO_TS
folder created by MF directly using "Power_DVD" -> "Play from harddisk dvd folder" to test the video?
Is this happening before or after using shrink.
( I also have a version of Power_Dvd that doesn't like mpeg audio, plays
it but not very good, lpcm or dolby sound good).
MD
folder created by MF directly using "Power_DVD" -> "Play from harddisk dvd folder" to test the video?
Is this happening before or after using shrink.
( I also have a version of Power_Dvd that doesn't like mpeg audio, plays
it but not very good, lpcm or dolby sound good).
MD
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hautem
maddrummer3301,
"...After you created dvd folders on the harddisk did you play the VIDEO_TS folder created by MF directly using "Power_DVD" -> "Play from harddisk dvd folder" to test the video?..."
Yes. Since I know I'll be using DVD Shrink later to resize, I usually use PowerDVD to see what I produced first.
It happens both before AND after applying DVD Shrink if I choose NOT to re-encode the clips in MF. What's strange is the distortion shows up using PowerDVD for both the pre-DVD Shrink version played off my HD and the version on disc post-DVD Shrink to .ISO file to disc via DVDdecrypter, but it doesn't show up on my standalone Panasonic DVD player (non-re-encoded) or on PowerDVD (but only if I re-encode the entire project - all 12 hours of it).
I'm not sure about PowerDVD and compatibility issues with MPEG audio. Intially I thought it was just the LPCM that made the difference (first one re-encoded that didn't have the distortion in PowerDVD was set for LPCM output). But I did another re-encoding, but set to MPEG 2.0, and it was also fine in PowerDVD.
At this point the issue appears to be isolated to NOT re-endocing my clips. It might have everything to do with the idea that I'm capturing at X.0 Mbps/(VBR-CBR doesn't seem to matter)/MPEG 2.0/224. Maybe capturing with MPEG audio is rendering the intial captures "non-compliant", but I'm just guessing at this point.
"...After you created dvd folders on the harddisk did you play the VIDEO_TS folder created by MF directly using "Power_DVD" -> "Play from harddisk dvd folder" to test the video?..."
Yes. Since I know I'll be using DVD Shrink later to resize, I usually use PowerDVD to see what I produced first.
It happens both before AND after applying DVD Shrink if I choose NOT to re-encode the clips in MF. What's strange is the distortion shows up using PowerDVD for both the pre-DVD Shrink version played off my HD and the version on disc post-DVD Shrink to .ISO file to disc via DVDdecrypter, but it doesn't show up on my standalone Panasonic DVD player (non-re-encoded) or on PowerDVD (but only if I re-encode the entire project - all 12 hours of it).
I'm not sure about PowerDVD and compatibility issues with MPEG audio. Intially I thought it was just the LPCM that made the difference (first one re-encoded that didn't have the distortion in PowerDVD was set for LPCM output). But I did another re-encoding, but set to MPEG 2.0, and it was also fine in PowerDVD.
At this point the issue appears to be isolated to NOT re-endocing my clips. It might have everything to do with the idea that I'm capturing at X.0 Mbps/(VBR-CBR doesn't seem to matter)/MPEG 2.0/224. Maybe capturing with MPEG audio is rendering the intial captures "non-compliant", but I'm just guessing at this point.
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hautem
sjj1805,
Appreciate the advisory, but not sure it that's the issue. Case in point - tried capturing a movie yesterday directly off the cable box ("I Robot" - wanted to see how the box capture fast CGI etc.). My strategy (if you can call it that) was to capture at a rate high enough to just run me over the capacity of a 4.7 GB disc and then run through DVD Shrink (e.g. maximize bit rate and space utilization on the disc).
Set capture to 7.0 (VBR) Mbps/MPEG 2.0/224 for all of the 1 hour, 58 minutes. Captured fine, no problems at all (would have been better at 6.0, though - was a bit too large - DVD Shrink had to compress at 89.1% - 95%-100% is what I'd be looking for).
Captured a 2.5 (approx.) sec. clip with all the input cables pulled out at the same settings for a "blank" clip (why the program doesn't come with a "fade-in"/"fade-out" EFX to be used at the very beginning and end of finished clip is beyond me). Inserted the captured movie between 2 of the "blank" clips, joined the clips, inserted "fade to black" at the join points, set "auto" chapters at 6 minute intervals (moved the last one to coincide with start of credits), no menu or chapter menus, outputed to VIDEO_TS folder, ran DVD Shrink .ISO to DVDdecrypter to disc.
The distortion was still there in PowerDVD at the join points in both the pre-DVD Shrink version off my hard drive and the finished disc, but not at all on the disc using the Panasonic DVD player. This was at a reduced video bit rate with cable broadcast material, not VHS tapes.
I suggested in another post reply that it might have everything to do with the idea that I'm capturing at X.0 Mbps/(VBR-CBR doesn't seem to matter)/MPEG 2.0/224. Maybe capturing with MPEG audio is rendering the intial captures "non-compliant", but I haven't tried that varaition yet (e.g. capture in LPCM/render in MPEG 2.0) and I'm still guessing at this point.
Appreciate the advisory, but not sure it that's the issue. Case in point - tried capturing a movie yesterday directly off the cable box ("I Robot" - wanted to see how the box capture fast CGI etc.). My strategy (if you can call it that) was to capture at a rate high enough to just run me over the capacity of a 4.7 GB disc and then run through DVD Shrink (e.g. maximize bit rate and space utilization on the disc).
Set capture to 7.0 (VBR) Mbps/MPEG 2.0/224 for all of the 1 hour, 58 minutes. Captured fine, no problems at all (would have been better at 6.0, though - was a bit too large - DVD Shrink had to compress at 89.1% - 95%-100% is what I'd be looking for).
Captured a 2.5 (approx.) sec. clip with all the input cables pulled out at the same settings for a "blank" clip (why the program doesn't come with a "fade-in"/"fade-out" EFX to be used at the very beginning and end of finished clip is beyond me). Inserted the captured movie between 2 of the "blank" clips, joined the clips, inserted "fade to black" at the join points, set "auto" chapters at 6 minute intervals (moved the last one to coincide with start of credits), no menu or chapter menus, outputed to VIDEO_TS folder, ran DVD Shrink .ISO to DVDdecrypter to disc.
The distortion was still there in PowerDVD at the join points in both the pre-DVD Shrink version off my hard drive and the finished disc, but not at all on the disc using the Panasonic DVD player. This was at a reduced video bit rate with cable broadcast material, not VHS tapes.
I suggested in another post reply that it might have everything to do with the idea that I'm capturing at X.0 Mbps/(VBR-CBR doesn't seem to matter)/MPEG 2.0/224. Maybe capturing with MPEG audio is rendering the intial captures "non-compliant", but I haven't tried that varaition yet (e.g. capture in LPCM/render in MPEG 2.0) and I'm still guessing at this point.
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hautem
Just a postscript to this thread (doesn't have much to do with initial issue).
Tried capturing the Super Bowl XL yesterday. Captured at 5.0 Mbps(VBR)/MPEG 2.0/192kbps (1st half, 2nd half and post game as 3 separate clips). Was figuring a lower capture rate for the estimated 2-3 hours of recording time for less compression time in DVD Shrink. Edited out all the commercials (recorded the half time show, but didn't include in final project - can envision the day when the Stones come out on stage with "walkers") and set chapter points at 6 minute intervals (no menu). Final output into VIDEO_TS folder was about 7 GB (the amount of deleted commercial time was really surprising - yikes!). Ran through DVD Shrink to .ISO to DVDdecryptor to burned disc.
BIG MISTAKE...using a lower video bit rate for initial capture. When images were relatively "still", overall integrity was fine. When there were scenes with significant motion/movement (which was a lot), pixelization (not sure if that's the right term for what I was seeing) was more than apparent. Haven't confirmed yet, but it appears that initial capturing at the highest practical rate is imperative - e.g. 9.0 Mbps (doesn't matter if the finished project is 12 GB - using DVD Shrink will compress accordingly to under 4.7 GB, but preserve the original capture properties). After doing the "I Robot" capture at 7.0 Mbps (which turned out fine to my eyes), I don't think I'll be capturing at anything less than that from here on out.
BTW - despite the number of "deleted" segments (e.g. deleted commercials), sound distortion was still present (playing back in PowerDVD - not audible when played back the burned disc in my standalone Panasonic DVD player), but only at the transition points between the 1st, 2nd half and post game clips that were joined (I edited well enough not to have to use the "blank" clips anywhere in the project).
Still an anomaly (the sound distortion bit) that I haven't quite figured out yet...
Tried capturing the Super Bowl XL yesterday. Captured at 5.0 Mbps(VBR)/MPEG 2.0/192kbps (1st half, 2nd half and post game as 3 separate clips). Was figuring a lower capture rate for the estimated 2-3 hours of recording time for less compression time in DVD Shrink. Edited out all the commercials (recorded the half time show, but didn't include in final project - can envision the day when the Stones come out on stage with "walkers") and set chapter points at 6 minute intervals (no menu). Final output into VIDEO_TS folder was about 7 GB (the amount of deleted commercial time was really surprising - yikes!). Ran through DVD Shrink to .ISO to DVDdecryptor to burned disc.
BIG MISTAKE...using a lower video bit rate for initial capture. When images were relatively "still", overall integrity was fine. When there were scenes with significant motion/movement (which was a lot), pixelization (not sure if that's the right term for what I was seeing) was more than apparent. Haven't confirmed yet, but it appears that initial capturing at the highest practical rate is imperative - e.g. 9.0 Mbps (doesn't matter if the finished project is 12 GB - using DVD Shrink will compress accordingly to under 4.7 GB, but preserve the original capture properties). After doing the "I Robot" capture at 7.0 Mbps (which turned out fine to my eyes), I don't think I'll be capturing at anything less than that from here on out.
BTW - despite the number of "deleted" segments (e.g. deleted commercials), sound distortion was still present (playing back in PowerDVD - not audible when played back the burned disc in my standalone Panasonic DVD player), but only at the transition points between the 1st, 2nd half and post game clips that were joined (I edited well enough not to have to use the "blank" clips anywhere in the project).
Still an anomaly (the sound distortion bit) that I haven't quite figured out yet...
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maddrummer3301
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I think you may have a hardware or driver problem with that computer that's causing the audio distortion. Most likely it's the audio card itself having a latency problem.
I'd be careful with dvd shrink. If you ever plan to import and edit the dvds your creating running the video/audio through dvd shrink you will find they may be very hard to edit without audio sync problems and other things.
Only a suggestion.
MD
I'd be careful with dvd shrink. If you ever plan to import and edit the dvds your creating running the video/audio through dvd shrink you will find they may be very hard to edit without audio sync problems and other things.
Only a suggestion.
MD