Sound out of sync in VS 9 and wide screen problem.

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Glennmizu

Sound out of sync in VS 9 and wide screen problem.

Post by Glennmizu »

Hello all. I am having problems again. This time the sound is about 1/2 second slow.
If I play the clip in the timeline it is ok. But if I play it as a project or make a video file the sound will be about 1/2 second late.

So I have to split the audio from the video and adjust it. Any one have any idea as to what may be causing the problem?
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Post by Eric VS9 »

Just a quick thought
I have had problems with that
The problem started when I captured the video in Dolby Audio
and then made a lot of edits

I think it might me better if you capture your video with LPCM audio
make all your edits and then if you wish, make the final video Dolby audio

It is strange that if you original video was captured with Dolby audio
In VS9 you are unable to match your project properties to Dolby audio
when I tried to match project properties to the first clip that was
captured Dolby VS9 match it with MPEG Audio

Hope this helps

Eric
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What is the source of the video? Is this an analog capture, or a digital transfer from a digital camcorder?

If this is an analog capture, try capturing with the software that came with your capture device. (Sometimes a capture card will come with Video Studio as well as some special-purpose capture that's meant specifically for the hardware.)

What file-format are you capturing to? AVI/DV is generally the best choice. If you capture directly to MPEG or another highly-compressed format, you can get dropped frames or other errors if the CPU can't constantly perform the compression at the rate the video is streaming-in.

Try searching the forum for "sync". This is a common problem, but it seems to have several causes & solutions.

I know it's a royal pain, and you should not have to work-around it. But, in one way, you're "lucky". Most people who are having sync problems don't get a constant error, and they can't fix it by "simply" shifting the audio by a half second or so. .....I'm sure THAT makes you feel A LOT BETTER, right? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Ken Berry »

There are also third party programs out there that specialise in fixing things like out of sync audio and video -- such as VideoReDo (www.videoredo.com) which I believe has a trial version. Full version is, IIRC, around $49.95. Though I agree you shouldn't be having the problem in the first place... But as DVDDoug has also indicated, we need a lot more information before we can start suggesting other courses of action to you.
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Hi guys and than you for your help. My camera is a Sony handycam DVD camera and records in digital MPEG widescreen and the sound is Dolby digital 5.1 surround sound. I am editing in MPEG.

The thing is before there were no problems. I used to have VS9 installed on D drive. But recently I thought I needed more space and wanted my work to be safe incase my computer ever crashes so I decided to buy an external hard drive 250GB running at 7200rpm it is G drive on my computer.

So I reinstalled VS 9 on the new external hard drive. I also have my working folder set on the same external G drive. (my internal D drive is quite OK and has about 80GB free)

I do have many edits and some of them I have reduced the speed. I am making a Ju Jutsu training DVD and need to have slow motion sometimes so as to see what is actually happening.

My computer is a Sony pentium 4 running at 2.8 GHz with 1GB of RAM and has 32 MB shared graphics memory.

Many thanks again for your trouble.
Cheers
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Post by Wolfgang van Ween »

Glennmizu, I also have a Sony Handicam DVD with Widescreen and 5.1 (maybe we even have the exact same model - mine is a 803E). And yes, I did run into the sync problem as well.

I've done quite a bit of research on this and similar boards and I've tested different remedies on my computer.

This is what I've found in my case - maybe it helps you, too:
The problem arises in two cases:
1 using trimmed scenes (it gets worse with multi-trimming) and
2 using a long scene and overlaying it with some other scene.

I haven't found a solution for 2 other than cutting the long scene up into two pieces and reassembling them with a crossfade.
With 1 I have found a solution: After I'm happy with my trimmed scenes, I use "Clip - Save trimmed" and exchange the trimmed scenes on the timeline with the newly saved videos. This is a bit of work, as the transitions need to be re-established but it has worked in every single case for me so far. Note that I have smart-rendering off, which seems to be important. You can set it to on again later.

When you do this on a longer video, you will realize two shortcomings of VS9 (or maybe I just haven't found those features yet?):
a) there is no way to check (or export a text table) which source files are used in the video -- I would like to delete the unnecessary stuff afterwards.
b) you can't exchange a source with another one. You have to delete the old one and insert the new one. At least there is a "Copy attributes" and "Paste attributes" command for clips...

Tell me how you fare or if you find a better method, please
Wolfgang

PS Yes, you cannot chose Dolby Audio, but I've found the 5.1 channels of the original sound are retained on MPEG cutting all the way through to burning a DVD, even if the setting says "Stereo" - I guess the reason is that the channel information is packed and VS9 doesn't touch it.
PPS The sync problem seems to be independent on hard disk or computer setup, a problem caused by the way the renderer works.

Glennmizu wrote:Hi guys and than you for your help. My camera is a Sony handycam DVD camera and records in digital MPEG widescreen and the sound is Dolby digital 5.1 surround sound. I am editing in MPEG.

The thing is before there were no problems. I used to have VS9 installed on D drive. But recently I thought I needed more space and wanted my work to be safe incase my computer ever crashes so I decided to buy an external hard drive 250GB running at 7200rpm it is G drive on my computer.

So I reinstalled VS 9 on the new external hard drive. I also have my working folder set on the same external G drive. (my internal D drive is quite OK and has about 80GB free)

I do have many edits and some of them I have reduced the speed. I am making a Ju Jutsu training DVD and need to have slow motion sometimes so as to see what is actually happening.

My computer is a Sony pentium 4 running at 2.8 GHz with 1GB of RAM and has 32 MB shared graphics memory.

Many thanks again for your trouble.
Cheers
Glenn Waters
www.glennwaters.com
Glennmizu

Sound out of sync in VS 9 and wide screen problem.

Post by Glennmizu »

Wolfgang Thank you.
My Sony Handicam DVD with Widescreen and 5.1 is a 803. I have tried what you said about "Clip - Save trimmed" and exchange the trimmed scenes on the timeline"
But no change for me.

When I import the DVD and view it in VS9 there is no problem. However as soon as I put it into the timeline then the sound will be about 1 second out of sync. (1 second slow) I can't seem to fix it without seperating the sound from the clip and moving the sound track a bit.

An other problem is with wide screen. It is recorded in MPEG2 on my DVD cam in wide screen but when I import into VS9 with VS9 in the wide screen mode it will not show as a full wide screen, it is trimed a bit on the right and left side. It can show as full screen. But all TVs are now becoming wide screen so I don't want to settle for full scren.

Some one said to use Nero to import first. Well I did that with no luck.
Then I tried to import the DVD using the Sony Picture Package soft that came with the camera. Then I imported into VS9.

This worked fine. I can now have wide screen but still the sound is out of sync as soon as I put it into the time line.
Any other ideas????? Anyone
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