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output to dvd - shokking display

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I am still experimenting with videostudio 10. First i always used pinnacle studio, but videostudio looks better but i have problems off course in the beginning.

One big problem is:
i have a captured dv2 file (captured with another program). The file is cutted in scenes with videostudio 10. Then i put some titles, overlays, picture in picture etc, in the video and then create disc (to dvd+rw).

When i play the dvd on my home dvd player the video is shokking with the movements of people. It is terrible.
What can possible be the course of this?

I am using PAL: project settings for videostudio i left alone. Lower field first.
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We need Patch

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At the moment the only (my hope is for a patch soon) :cry: mode is to save a new file after edit video, then open new project or dvd wizard and make chapter etc.... then burn the file on dvd or hard disk.

I sent e-mail to support for a similar problem to audio (audio flickering) and they say to normalize audio, but i think the previous version don't have this problem, the patch is necessary.

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Surfer,

It appears as if you may have had Dropped Frames while capturing the video.

First complete your system information, located in your profile. Your Profile is located by clicking on the Profile hyperlink at the top of the forum. That way when we click on the System button found at the bottom of your post, a pop-up window opens giving us that information to review for possible causes of problems.

Next in VS10+ go to the Preferences (File menu>Preferences or press F6) and on the Capture Tab and tick the option located 2nd from the bottom Show Drop Frame Information.

Now what you need to do is change your capture type from DV type 2 to DV type1. Unless you have a real powerful computer, it is best to capture to DV-1. Now try to capture your video using VS10+ and see if there is any improvement.

Also try to follow the the Recommend Procedures, which in summary are:
  1. Capture your video to DV-AVI type1, using Firewire if possible.
  2. Edit your video clips.
  3. Render your project, go to Share>Create Video, creating a DVD Compliant video file (either PAL or NTSC, which ever is proper for the area where you live)
  4. Start a new Project (File>New Project). Go to Share>Create Disc. Now insert any DVD Compliant video files you have created, and continue on to burn a disc, create DVD-Folders, or an ISO image file.
To better help you understand, sjj1805 has produced an excellent tutorial titled From Camcorder to DVD. It can be found here:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13421
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Also there is a wealth of information in the Tutorial sections, please read through them and you can gain alot of knowledge on video editing..

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stottering

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Ok, my profile is updated.

I am now trying to make a videofile PAL DVD first then burning that file with a menu.

Capturing in dv 2 i always have done that because the other program did'nt do it in dv1. I never had troubles making a dvd strait away though, but then maybe videostudio isn't doing that so good.

Are there people who make a from the timeline to create disc a dvd immediatly or making a videofile first?
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People are using both workflows. It has been the recommended procedure to first Create a DVD Compliant video file. Then with a clean timeline, open up the burn module and bring in your video files to burn to a DVD.

J.C. Hunter (he was one of those responsible for writing the Recommended Procedures Sticky, found at the top of this forum) and I ran some tests last week using VS10+. We determined that it is possible to burn with a project in the timeline, but still had some problems.

By creating a video file first, you are able to examen your video for possible errors or flaws. If none, then proceed on to creating your DVD. It takes no more time to do that, then it does to go straight to the burn module and have your video file transcoded there. This also was proved.

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surfer wrote:Are there people who make a from the timeline to create disc a dvd immediatly or making a videofile first?
Theoretically you can create a DVD directly from the timeline without creating a video first. BUT..... my personal choice would be not to do this.

The reason is simply that I would wish to preview the results of all of my editing before I proceeded to the authoring stage. The preview that is offered is only a preview and nowhere near as good as the rendered video.

You do not lose anything following this path because whether you choose to burn from the timeline or follow the tried and trusted method as per the recommended procedure then at some point the edited file has to be rendered and this will obviously take time.

If you create the video file first then when you enter the next stage - authoring - you do not render it again a second time.

Therefore you have everything to gain and nothing to lose by creating a video file first.

I also have a habit of creating several video files that fit onto a DVD disc.
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stottering

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Thanks,

I made a videofile pal dvd mpeg2 and then burned it. No stottering anymore so the problem is solved. I don't understand why though but i musn't think to much about this i guess.
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Thanks

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Thanks Vidoman and sjj1805 for suggestion.

I apologise for presume error in the program.

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Post by AstroMikaku »

i hade a similar problem with VS8 and capturing in AVI - the output on the computer was fine but on DVD experienced motion jitter, changed my capture method to MPEG-II, one files are ALOT smaller and no more jittering :)
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Astro -- sorry, but I can't let your post here go with at least some sort of comment. :roll: Now, of course, any method which works for you is fine, so stick with it if it works. We don't claim to be infallible. But your posting -- which I realise is probably only shorthand for the detailed work flow you follow -- contains something which are potentially misleading to newbies.

On this Board, we generally encourage people to capture first to DV/AVI where at all possible, and particularly if the source of the video is digital. You don't say whether your original captures were of full uncompressed AVI (65 GB per hour more or less) or DV/AVI (13 GB per hour). Anyway, I realise that capturing to DV/AVI is not always possible. Some people have hard disc or mini DVD video cameras which of course film in mpeg-2 format. Others are capturing analogue video through capture devices which may not allow DV capture but only uncompressed AVI or mpeg-2. In all those circumstances, it is clearly not feasible to capture in DV.

Some people, however, don't have computers which are powerful enough to capture direct to mpeg-2 format, particularly from a digital source where large packets of data are being sent at relatively high speed to the computer in one format and the computer is having to both handle that signal and convert it to mpeg-2 on the fly. More often than not, with less powerful computers, this process falls over sooner rather than later.

As you will also know, editing mpeg-2s -- and especially extensive editing of it -- is not generally recommended (and not only, this time, by this Board but much more widely. This is why specialised mpeg editors such as Video ReDo or Womble were developed in the first place.) Again, there is the potential for too many errors to creep in, including out of sync audio and video, particularly if the mpeg-2 is cut extensively. That is why we recommend to capture AND edit in DV/AVI format wherever possible. The same potential for error simply does not exist.

You talk about capturing to AVI and in the next breath talk about 'the output ... on DVD'. This shorthand could also hide a multitude of sins :lol: since it implies you may have gone directly from capturing (and editing?) in AVI format to the burning module. Again, if that work flow generally works for you, then by all means use it. But there is a broad range of experience on this Board which suggests that, with Video Studio at least, it is probably better to do your capture and edits in DV/AVI, and then go to Share > Create Video File > DVD. This will produce a DVD-compatible mpeg-2 which is ready for burning. And it is then burned as a separate step.

There is a separate thread here in which some of our members are experimenting to see whether, with VS10, you can go straight from the project in the timeline to burning a disc without first producing the mpeg-2 I mentioned. And the results, while promising, are mixed. Certainly, in earlier versions of Video Studio, and again mainly for people with less powerful computers, such a work flow imposes further stress on already thin computer resources -- asking the computer both to render your original project in AVI format into mpeg, and then also creating the menus and multiplexing and then burning, all on the fly, has the very great potential to introduce problems into the whole process. Jittering video on the final DVD is a very common factor here, though of course there are a variety of other poor results possible.

The same potential for error is heavily reduced if the work flow is broken down into simple, separate steps: first, capture in DV where possible. Second, edit in that format. Third, produce a DVD-compatible mpeg-2 (Share > Create Video File > DVD). And fouth, only then open the burning module, construct your menu and burn the disc (Share > Create Disc > DVD). :lol:
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I am testing the various entry level Video packages for a couple of my customers. This one certainly seems the the simplest to use.

But What seems odd is that as Ulead obviously know they can't render Avi's to mpeg and burn together , why don't they simply create the mpegs in the background first then burn. Instead as I found out end up with jerky vision.

Forcing the user to go through this extra step of creating the file (and presumably having to delete them afterwards is a joke. This is supposed to be a program for beginners. They could at the very least pop a warning box saying create video file first to avoid getting a crap picture

Also Ulead are aware of the issue because if you use the DV-DVD wizard to burn your DVD the same footage plays fine. meaning they create the Mpegs before they burn.

Great program dumb workflow !!

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Well, yes, Tony -- that may be so. And it has been a problem since well before I ever started using Video Studio, which was over 4 years ago with VS7. It has been a constant theme on this Board as long as I have been on it. And Ulead has not taken the least notice of our complaints about this work flow during all that time. They seem to think your 'logical' work flow works -- and no doubt it actually does for a lot of people. The people we get here are ones who have run into problems. The customers without problems, equally logically, don't have any need to consult the Board.

But the fact remains that the logical work flow actually causes a lot of problems for a lot of people. And our recommended procedure, while not necessarily logical in light of what the program *should* do, has been designed to get around the problems. It is a work-around, in effect, but we have never made any secret of that.

You may have seen a separate thread in the past couple of weeks, in which some of our members are testing whether you can actually use your logical approach with VS10. Early results were far more promising than with earlier versions of the program, but subsequently some problems started to creep in. So the jury is still out.

And finally, a footnote on logic: the process of conversion/rendering of a video into a format which is compatible with DVD format, is a demanding enough process on its own, particularly for computers which are not overly well endowed with resources. Asking that same sort of computer not only to carry out this conversion, but also the multiplexing etc that goes with producing the final DVD, and all on the fly, does not seem particularly logical to me -- you are only asking for trouble.

In those circumstances, it is arguably quite logical not to stress the computer, and instead take a step by step approach which allows the computer to use more of its resources on each step: 1) capture where possible in DV format (that also causing the least stress on a computer); 2) edit in DV format; 3) Then produce your DVD-compatible file (Share > Create Video File > DVD); and only then, 4) burn your disc (Share > Create Disc > DVD). You lose no significant time in following this work flow, apart from the extra button clicks involved (and also the eventual clicks required to delete the DVD-compatible file, if that is what you want to do. Personally, I store mine on an external HDD). And VS being what it is, this work flow from our own view of what is a logical approach, produces far fewer problems than the one you consider logical.

I am not saying yours is not logical. But it is simply not practical until such time as Ulead decides to do something substantive about the problems caused when that 'logical' approach is followed. And there, at least, I think we can at least agree!! :cry: :roll:
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tonybrisbane wrote:But What seems odd is that as Ulead obviously know they can't render Avi's to mpeg and burn together , why don't they simply create the mpegs in the background first then burn. Instead as I found out end up with jerky vision.
You can successfully burn directly from the timeline when starting with assets that aren't DVD compliant (I've done so), but success is simply not guaranteed. UVS 9 does much better than earlier versions in that respect, but I can't comment on UVS 10/10+ since I haven't used it yet.

The Recommended Procedure is a compilation of experiences and advice from a number of long-time Videostudio users and meant to take some of the frustration out of video editing. One can certainly be successful without following it, but you need to know what you are doing.
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