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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby weaver » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:08 am

Yes I do, but not commercial (advertising) videos.
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby asik1 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:41 am

I do from time to time corporate videos.
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby jungleexplorer » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:41 pm

asik1 wrote:I do from time to time corporate videos.


Well, since this was my first time, I had no idea what to charge or how things would go, so I got royally screwed. That is okay, because I need the exposure and portfolio; but moving forward, I need to have a better idea of what I should charge for something like this. I have done the searching and I really can't find anything that fits my scenario. What I have found is that for basic commercial video production, the cost ranges from $800 to $1,200 per minute of video.

What I would like to ask you is, what you would have charged to make this video? Honestly, I don't think this client had any clue what they wanted or what it would take to produce it. The original agreement was for a one minute video. But then they sent me a two-page script to follow and asked for live footage me introducing myself and the product on a sunny day with a "Shimmering Lake" in the background and the catching and handling of at least two or more fish. There is no possible way on earth that all could fit in a one minute video. The video I made was 3 minutes long and even then I had to drop 75% of the script. The client loved the video though.

The issue is, what happened afterward. They wanted to "Tweak" the video. They wanted a different music track, they wanted to add Subtitles (not part of the original agreement, and then change the style of those), etc, etc. So here is what I have invested in this video.

1. 160 miles of travel to and from shooting site (the lake).
2. Hire a guide/model (the guy doing the fishing).
3. 10 hours of shooting time (caught no fish the first day and had to make a second trip)
4. 26 hours of post-processing and editing.

So, what would you charge if you had made this video?
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby asik1 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 4:28 pm

Jungle... it's a jungle out there. And I'm not in the US of A ...
For such production break down surly it's not enough.
You can't charge just by a minute. and shooting day isn't post day.
I can't comment on the shooting days as I never fished. but I think you could cheat with them fishes if you cut in angles, closeups and use "same fish".
26 hours in post?? well that is because your "issues" not because there are "real" 26 hours in that edit.
I think your mistake was to go ahead with that "original" 1 min project with just 1000$ budget.
I don't know from what part of the US you are but for shooting day you should value your work at least for 75$ an hour, and add to that production costs.
for post?? maybe 50$ an hour?
Bare in mind that all this is a freelance work, so you have expanse and taxes...
I hope you did not gave them the raw footage, and you have your credits and phone number at the video end.

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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby jungleexplorer » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:24 pm

asik1 wrote:Jungle... it's a jungle out there. And I'm not in the US of A ...
For such production break down surly it's not enough.
You can't charge just by a minute. and shooting day isn't post day.
I can't comment on the shooting days as I never fished. but I think you could cheat with them fishes if you cut in angles, closeups and use "same fish".
26 hours in post?? well that is because your "issues" not because there are "real" 26 hours in that edit.
I think your mistake was to go ahead with that "original" 1 min project with just 1000$ budget.
I don't know from what part of the US you are but for shooting day you should value your work at least for 75$ an hour, and add to that production costs.
for post?? maybe 50$ an hour?
Bare in mind that all this is a freelance work, so you have expanse and taxes...
I hope you did not gave them the raw footage, and you have your credits and phone number at the video end.

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No. All examples I gave the were watermarked. I gave them an 1080p HD copy of the finished commercial only after the money was in my account. I did not give them a 4K copy. That will be extra if they want it, but since this is a web-only video that will be seen primarily on smartphones, I doubt they will.

As far as fishing goes, it is unpredictable. It took six hours of fishing to catch those three fish in the video the day I went with an actual GUIDE that knew that lake. I went there by myself and did not catch a single fish in five hours of fishing (which why I hired the guide the second time). I talked with the guide last night and he went the next day and caught 25 fish in one hour in the same exact place we fished. Since you are not a fisherman, I will tell that fishing is not a reliable sport. The only reliable way to fish is with a stick of dynamite. LOL! :D There is fishing and there is catching, and they are not the same thing.

$75 an hour. That sounds reasonable. I mean, aside from time and talent, I have thousands invested in equipment too. If I get another job, I think I will charge by the hour plus expenses. That seems like it would be a fair way to do this, rather than just bidding a job for a set price.

It has been a learning experience for me and there is value in that beyond money. Plus, I have one very satisfied customer and that is a great start to a portfolio. Thanks for the help.
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby asik1 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:09 am

Jungle, how about this for a 1000$ budget.
All that can be fitted in one day work.
Shooting within the area of the vendor,
about 2hours of production that will give ~30 min of footage
about 3-4 hours of post. for 60-90sec first version review
2-3 hours for finished product.

All extra personnel/stuff is up to the vendor to supply/pay
All this is for a simple infomercial and not for bells and glitter

**Do you have any lights and such...
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby jungleexplorer » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:03 am

asik1 wrote:Jungle, how about this for a 1000$ budget.
All that can be fitted in one day work.
Shooting within the area of the vendor,
about 2hours of production that will give ~30 min of footage
about 3-4 hours of post. for 60-90sec first version review
2-3 hours for finished product.

All extra personnel/stuff is up to the vendor to supply/pay
All this is for a simple infomercial and not for bells and glitter

**Do you have any lights and such...



Sorry for the delay. I was in Mexico. Yes, I do have lights. Nothing fancy, just a Limostudio kit with some 300 watt LED video lights. I only use them for indoor shooting though. I do all outdoor shooting by natural daylight.

So let me ask you another question. My contract for the video about the fishing glove is fulfilled. Would it be unprofessional to reach out to the company and offer them additional footage or pictures of their product in action for a fee?
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby asik1 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:38 pm

I'm not in your market so I have no idea, but
it's better you keep all to your self for the moment, it will be even better if they ask you to edit a longer version.
Don't harry to give them stuff that their high school kid will edit for free.
I don't know how much/fine footage you have, but if they payed ~2000$ so far, do you think they will pay more than 200$ for the rest of the footage?
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby jungleexplorer » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:50 pm

Not sure where you got $2000 from. I got paid $175 total. Yeah, I know. Like I said, I had never done this kind of work before and got taken for a ride. Most people that contact me for a product video, want a youtube review. Depending on the cost of the item, I will do the review for a low fee or in exchange for the product. I can do this because it is good for my channel to have reviews of the newest products and I make money off of these videos in the long run from ads and affiliate commissions. So, I am used to making product review videos, but had never made a private Promo Ad Video before. When I make a review video, the company has no say in what I do or how I make it because I am not promoting their product. I am reviewing their product. When this company first contacted me, I thought they wanted a review video, so I started negotiations off completely wrong and made commitments under the mistaken understanding that I would be able to generate additional money from the video through youtube and commissions. It was not until later on that I realized, that this was a one-time thing that would not generate any additional income down the road. That is when I came on here to try to figure out how bad I had screwed myself.

I think the company knew they were taking advantage of my ignorance, but I also think they were not going to pay a fair price for a video and that is why they contacted me, I small youtube channel that is trying to grow. It is all good because I have learned a ton. But, I still think there might be some more oil in this well. So, from now on I want to get a fair price from them for my content. Maybe make up for what I lost in time and expense on the video. There is no question that they got a much better product out of me then they were expecting. I have visited their website and looked at their other content and it is pretty janky.
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby asik1 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:03 pm

I wish you Jungle that the sun keep shine for you (oil is polluting..) and turn you into a YouTube mega Jungle.
I know that the Outdoors market is huge in the US, since I first stepped into the mega-stores of Cabel's and Bass pro I made it a must in every visit in the last 15 years. I walk there like in a museum, it's nuts. :lol:
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Re: VS 2018 cannot render 1080p or 4K out of Sony Alpha A650

Postby jungleexplorer » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:13 pm

Thanks. Same back to you.

I know what you mean about Cabelas and Bass Pro stores. Very dangerous place for an outdoors guy with a credit card. :wink: :lol:
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