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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby asik1 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:28 pm

weaver wrote:Maybe my Nvidia graphic card had not the latest driver. Interestingly this update is somehow not included in general upgrade processes. I just installed the latest one, let us see if this fixes the VS2018 problem.

I don't use Nvidia latest, I'm on 2012 362.3, latest is 391?
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby JWolters » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:51 pm

weaver wrote:(...) At the beginning using two monitors the VS crashed about 5 times - no idea why, I just wanted to involve Corel support but I lost the error message generated by W7 :oops:
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Although I only work sporadically with VideoStudio for smaller projects. I always work on two displays UHD (4K). Also saved two display layouts and use them alternately. But two-display operation has never been the cause of a crash, either with 2018 or with 2019.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:13 pm

It was never an issue before with VS X7. Since I use both editors ( VS2018 and X7) on VS2018 I experienced several crashes. Few of them were fixed by Corel and it looks like that the NVIDIA uodate fixed also this problem. I edited on VS2018 yesterday a short film without any major problem.
The VS2018 is still very slow and unstable in comparison to VS X7. Several simple manipulation on the GUI takes ages in comparison to X7. (For eg to change the horizontal scale on the time line). Also the operation with different options is much slower and not always straightforward.
Somehow I am still not convinced by this kind of development.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby iNate » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:16 am

The sluggish GUI in VideoStudio is something I've commented on shortly after VS2018 release. UI updates are laggy and feel like 30FPS on a 60-75Hz screen. Operations tend to lag behind clicks. It doesn't feel pleasant at all to use. Selecting some effects (notably NB Titler) can cause the entire GUI to lock up for 5+ seconds before it proceeds. Same for switching HD on/off at the preview window. And I don't even want to start about the icon redraw and scrolling lag in the Media and Effects Pool.

I'm on a pretty high end laptop, and don't get this issue with other NLEs that have far greater system requirements (Premiere Pro, Resolve, etc.); and the application was running off of a Samsung EVO NVMe PCIe SSD... so even if it had to load stuff from storage it should not be that sluggish/laggy.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:39 am

Today I again tried to edit some video on VS2018. Unfortunately there were again unexpected crashes. I have got some advices from Corel to reset the VS2018. I will do it when I have some time, but this effect was absolutely not present in VS X7. It seems that Vs2018 overloads some internal systems, however my computer is a high-end device with enough memory and also with very fast SSD. Sometimes the copy paste function crashes the VS, sometimes it is sendig error messages about wrong configuration, but no log files.
I think that there is really a conflict between the VS and a GUI update as 1Nate wrote.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:55 am

I am just in negotiations with Corel as the VS2018 has also serious troubles with audio. I wanted to change some sound portions on my earlier film (levels etc). The whole project was about 41 minutes long, the VS2018 could not show the film in audio mode ( envelope and ribbon bands, it simple crashed after about 2-3 minutes). On the same computer the VS X7 had no problem with the same film. Than I cut the film ( shortened to about 20 minutes and added some video correction on VS2018) suddenly the VS2018 was able to detect the audio track and show the envelope and the ribbon bands. The ribbonband modification works safely only in highest timeline zoom. When the zoom is reduced the ribbon band cannot be pulled to the end of the clip, ie the sound reduction dissapears few seconds before the end of the clip. In highest zoom, the mouse sticks on the end of the clip.
Corel's first idea was to reinstall the VS2018, what I pricipially refused, as since I purchased the VS2018 I had to reinstall it at least 5-6 times ( in 5 month) and spend hours and hours on troubleshooting and information gathering for Corel. The last new installation was about 3 weeks ago and I did clean also all registers, this was the first project after new installation. The result is still very bad, instability, some features does not work randomly - like the sound features, but also the 3D Title editor, and the user interface ( what you see on the monitor). Sometimes I cannot trim the ends of the clips, when I reopen the same project everything works perfect for some moment when the error pops up again. This is a nightmare what Corel is offering in VS2018. The option to update to VS2019 is even worse.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby asik1 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:23 am

weaver, much of VS problems are timeline based. you are aware that TL zoom's are only in discrete segments (with no sense) and it's not dynamic TL as all other NLE's. I raised that issue with corel since X8 but they prefer to work on new colored layout instead.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:44 am

I think we expect already too much from Corel. I was quite happy with the timeline working until X7. The mouse locks easily to the end of the clips in almost any settings of the timeline. This function became degraded in VS2018, and this makes the difference. Even if you pull the rubber band to the end od the clips, it does not locks there, ie the audio rises back to the value before the fade-out. I can achieve the lock only in highest TL zoom, interestingly in this TL resolution the mouse locks to the end of the clip.
I think there is a general problem with the monitor GUI and the internal processes and Corel has no answer for that...
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby asik1 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:06 am

Only when one tries the flexibility of the TL elsewhere one can see the major culprit VS has in that aspect.
No "new bell or paint" can cover that.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:19 am

Did anybody managed to install the VS2018 and get full stability? Corel asked me already probably 10th times to fully reinstall the VS2018 as they think that will improve this program. Since the last full installation it crashes by several audio jobs and also at 3D Titler. On the same computer the VS x7 never crashed ( in about 3-4 years) the VS2018 crashes almost during every job.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:40 am

A brand new experience with VS2018. As reported above my former project crashed several times with different functions like audio mode ( envelope, rubbon band), Title 3D Timeline update. That time I restarted several times the VS and also the computer ( the project took several days). Always the same issue.
I contacted Corel, and they were so friendly and wanted to see the problems. To my big suprise yesterday I could not repeat the same troubles at all. The same project worked well, the sound conversion (86 min film) took just about 1 minute, last time the VS crashed after 3-4 minutes. I took also a completely different project - everything else worked. This is slowly unbelievable what is going on with VS2018. On the same computer same SW environment I never had similar issues with VS X7.
Today I will start a new project I wonder what will offer VS2018 now 8)
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:50 am

As the VS2018 still did not reach the required stability. Now it crashes at audio functions. Maybe my graphic card GTX550 is not fully compatible with VS2018 ( no mention about this in system requirements). The driver is up to date. Does anybody have similar graphic card? It was working perfect even with the old (original) driver with VS X7 ( for over 3 years) and problems came with the VS2018 upgrade.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby asik1 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:07 am

weaver wrote:As the VS2018 still did not reach the required stability. Now it crashes at audio functions. Maybe my graphic card GTX550 is not fully compatible with VS2018 ( no mention about this in system requirements). The driver is up to date. Does anybody have similar graphic card? It was working perfect even with the old (original) driver with VS X7 ( for over 3 years) and problems came with the VS2018 upgrade.

What sort of audio work you do once it crashes?
What error report you get?
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:02 pm

asik1 wrote:
weaver wrote:As the VS2018 still did not reach the required stability. Now it crashes at audio functions. Maybe my graphic card GTX550 is not fully compatible with VS2018 ( no mention about this in system requirements). The driver is up to date. Does anybody have similar graphic card? It was working perfect even with the old (original) driver with VS X7 ( for over 3 years) and problems came with the VS2018 upgrade.

What sort of audio work you do once it crashes?
What error report you get?

It was a very simple job I needed to synchronize two cameras. The easiest way is to switch to audio mode ( envelopes) there were the clicks from the drumkit. I wanted to shift the tracks to exact position. When I switched back to standard mode ( pictures on timeline) the VS crashed ( windows message). The effect could be repeated several times so the Corel support could see it as well. They tried to fix it without any positive result. There is no error message nothing special simple the VS2018 stops to work and I need to restart the VS. Now Corel told me that maybe the graphic card is not up to date. It was updated 2 month ago and there is no newer update.
All other functions, tricks, efx etc are working perfect, the video is around 40 minutes with about 250 cuts, just the audio created the problem. I have to check also the audio filters because one was not working at all the second one did something else as expected. But due to the limited time I used finaly external audio processing ( some filters and normalisation).
The same clips on the same computer could be sysnchronized with VS X7 without any problems. So I do not know what to do. I am looking for the more powerful graphic card ( extra cost), but I need to consult my HW expert regarding the compatibility issue. The mother board is very powerful high speed I7 with 12 GB RAM and 850 GB SSD.
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Re: VS2018 experiences

Postby weaver » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:28 pm

This is the result what I am getting.
audio1.jpg
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