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Dual Boot the Steve Jones Method.

Postby sjj1805 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:30 pm

With all of the current problems being experienced by forum members with the new Vista System I thought now may be a good time to create a separate post regarding the Steve Jones method of creating a Dual Boot computer.

There are of course other ways but this method has distinct advantages over those alternatives.

For this procedure you will need
1. A Second Hard Drive
2. A Set up Disc for your alternative Operating system such as Windows XP
3. A screwdriver - to remove the computer case and to fasten the second hard drive into your computer.
4. Your set up discs for the various programs you wish to install such as all of your Ulead stuff, Microsoft Office, Anti virus software, your various passwords and serial numbers, your driver discs.

I will assume you currently have a single hard drive and your computer is already set up and running - perhaps you are using it to read this!

Step 1.
Shut down and turn OFF your computer, remove the plug from the wall.

Step 2
Remove the computer panel(s) to enable you to gain access to what's inside. Install your new hard drive. - Either use a separate IDE cable or if you are using the same one as the existing IDE cable make sure you set the master/slave jumpers of your two hard drives.

Step 3.
Remove the power lead to your existing hard drive
Item B in this picture:
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Step 4
Restart you computer and install your new operating system (Windows XP)

Step 5
Install all of your other programs that you wish to use with this operating system, set up your internet if required. In a nutshell get the computer working they way you would like.

Step 6.
Shut down and turn OFF your computer, remove the plug from the wall.

Step 7.
Restore the power lead to your original hard drive
Item B in this picture:
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When you now start your computer your original operating system will start and that will take the drive letter C. all of your programs and DATA will be intact just as it all was before we did anything above.

To activate the other operating system, restart your computer.
When the computer start up you will see a message something like
press (This key) to enter setup. this will bring up your system BIOS.
you can alter the Boot Sequence so that your computer boots from the second hard drive.

This now starts your new operating system which will take on the drive letter C and all of your programs and DATA for that operating system will be intact.

Advantages over traditional methods.

Traditional dual boot systems rely upon on a boot menu where you select which operating system to start. That boot menu is kept on one of your hard drives (The primary one) and so if that hard drive packs up, you cannot access the boot menu and you cannot access your alternative operating system.

With the Steve Jones method the operating systems are completely independent of each other and you could if you wish remove one of the hard drives and still be able to use your computer.

With the traditional dual boot method if a hard drive packs up you cannot access anything on either drive. Using the Steve Jones method you simply start the other operating system. You will also be able to use/view the other hard drive and so may in fact be able to carry out a repair.

A Dual boot system can be beneficial when trying out new software or software patches. You can use one hard drive as a testing system and only install it on your normal day to day system when you are happy it does not cause you any problems.
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Postby David Bottel » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:07 am

Steve,
How do you create a dual boot system on a laptop?.

David
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Postby sjj1805 » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:34 am

That is much more difficult because a laptop has SATA drives and so you either need a floppy drive that connects to your laptop, or you need a purpose built Windows XP Setup disc with the SATA drivers for your make and model of laptop integrated into the setup disc.

I did create a dual boot XP/Vista system on my sister in laws laptop a few months ago but I admit that it took me quite a while and several wasted CD's before I managed to create that integrated XP setup disc.

You can start researching how to create the set up disc by clicking
This link
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Posts: 14921
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:20 am
Location: Birmingham UK
operating_system: Windows XP Pro
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 32 Bit
motherboard: Equium P200-178
processor: Intel Pentium Dual-Core Processor T2080
ram: 2 GB
Video Card: Intel 945 Express
sound_card: Intel GMA 950
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 1160 GB

Postby phd » Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:46 am

Personally, I use removable hard drive trays and can create as many authentic boot drives as I need. No muss, no fuss.

After you install the receiver, you put your separate hard drives into the trays.

I generally install 2 trays/machine soe I can not only pull the boot drive and swap it, but I can take all of my data stored on the drive to a new machine immediately.

It really pays of with a machine failure to immediately start working on another machine.
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Postby sjj1805 » Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:29 am

phd wrote:Personally, I use removable hard drive trays and can create as many authentic boot drives as I need. No muss, no fuss.....


If you do that with 3 removeable hard drives plus the dual boot method outlined above - you will be the proud owner of a system like my own.

:D :D :D
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Posts: 14921
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:20 am
Location: Birmingham UK
operating_system: Windows XP Pro
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 32 Bit
motherboard: Equium P200-178
processor: Intel Pentium Dual-Core Processor T2080
ram: 2 GB
Video Card: Intel 945 Express
sound_card: Intel GMA 950
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 1160 GB

ual Boot the Steve Jones Method

Postby David Bottel » Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:41 am

Steve,
Thank you for your reply.
I will read the procedure outlined in the "LINK" you provided and see how far I get.

Kind Regards, David
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Postby sjj1805 » Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:04 pm

I take it you want to dual boot XP and Vista?
If so then I have created this link
Creating a Dual Boot Vista/XP System

If you have a Vista set up DVD then it will have some universal SATA drivers on it so installing Vista on a laptop is straightforward. I wasn't able to extract those universal drivers and use on an XP setup disc. Vista Setup discs are different from previous operating system installation discs as they contain what is termed a WIM file (Windows Image File) - this is in a way similar to a Norton Ghost style image of a hard drive.

Sorry I can't help much with how I eventaully managed to get a working XP setup disc with the SATA drivers integrated - I tried so many different combinations of things that suddenly one worked and to be honest it was a mixture of luck and perseverence.

The only other useful advice I can give is get hold of a RW disc so that you can keep wiping it clean until you manage to get something that works. You will also need plenty of coffee and perhaps a few aspirins!

Hope you get it working.
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Posts: 14921
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:20 am
Location: Birmingham UK
operating_system: Windows XP Pro
System_Drive: C
32bit or 64bit: 32 Bit
motherboard: Equium P200-178
processor: Intel Pentium Dual-Core Processor T2080
ram: 2 GB
Video Card: Intel 945 Express
sound_card: Intel GMA 950
Hard_Drive_Capacity: 1160 GB


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